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stephan huller · 11-21-2012, 03:31 PM

Okay so that's not the exact quote but here is the story:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...aims-Pope.html

Duvduv · 11-21-2012, 03:32 PM

The article doesn't explain then how old their HJ would have been at the time of the alleged crucifixion or how many years he had a ministry. I guess there would be some discussion with people other than Dennis the Small, i.e. Irenaeus. What comes next, I wonder?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...aims-Pope.html

It looks like Stephan and I both posted the article at almost the same moment. I guess we don't need two threads on the same subject.

braces_for_impact · 11-21-2012, 03:49 PM

On a slightly off topic subject, is this pope even capable of not looking like an evil bastard plotting world domination?

MrMacSon · 11-21-2012, 03:54 PM

He doesn't know. Nobody knows.

The ideas in the Jesus stories originated in stories based on prophecies in the Old Testament, and were given greater body (pun intended) as the stories were modified in the Messianic Age.

stephan huller · 11-21-2012, 04:31 PM

Christianity is in decline. He is hardly taking over the world. I think he is more worried about paying taxes in Italy one day or that Germany's model of taxing religious bodies will one day spread beyond Germany. I think this is an inevitability even here in America with debt problems. One day churches will be taxed like any private organization. Maybe in forty years, but it will happen.

Toto · 11-21-2012, 04:33 PM

Ha ha -

Nativity donkeys and cattle are a myth, says Pope

Quote:

With just over a month to go before Christmas, the Pope has declared that the presence of animals like cattle and donkeys in traditional Nativity scenes is based on little more than a myth.

...

"There is no mention of animals in the Gospels," he wrote in the third and last volume of his biography of Jesus Christ, which like the previous two books is expected to become an international best-seller, with an initial print run of a million copies.

The inclusion of domestic animals in the Nativity scene may have been inspired by pre-Christian traditions, for instance in the Book of Habakkuk, a part of the Hebrew Bible which was probably written by an early prophet in the seventh century BC, Benedict wrote.

A real skeptic, that pope.

stephan huller · 11-21-2012, 04:33 PM

It is worth noting that the Ethiopian calendar is off by seven years owing to some similar mistake. I forget how that one happened.

stephan huller · 11-21-2012, 04:37 PM

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A real skeptic, that pope.

But he's German so it is hard for him to be vehemently irrational about faith. He might not question his assumptions but there is German-ness to his recent pronouncements which at least more tolerable than the hocus pocus of other Christians.

You'll have to excuse me I come from a family of Jews who were very proud to be German. So much so that when my great grandmother came out of Bergen Belsen it was Russian and Polish Jews she was mad at - not the Germans! She ended up running a German old age home. Died a proud German. Fuck, life is weird.

spin · 11-21-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Toto

Ha ha -

Nativity donkeys and cattle are a myth, says Pope

Quote:

With just over a month to go before Christmas, the Pope has declared that the presence of animals like cattle and donkeys in traditional Nativity scenes is based on little more than a myth.

...

"There is no mention of animals in the Gospels," he wrote in the third and last volume of his biography of Jesus Christ, which like the previous two books is expected to become an international best-seller, with an initial print run of a million copies.

The inclusion of domestic animals in the Nativity scene may have been inspired by pre-Christian traditions, for instance in the Book of Habakkuk, a part of the Hebrew Bible which was probably written by an early prophet in the seventh century BC, Benedict wrote.

A real skeptic, that pope.

Hey, and Santa's red suit is a myth too. It's too visible in a flying sleigh.

Sheshbazzar · 11-21-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stephanhuller

I think he is more worried about paying taxes in Italy one day or that Germany's model of taxing religious bodies will one day spread beyond Germany. I think this is an inevitability even here in America with debt problems. One day churches will be taxed like any private organization. Maybe in forty years, but it will happen.

Here in America many church's are for profit business organizations specializing in entertainment and/or operating Hospitals and Health Care Systems, paying their operators, entertainers, and executives extravagant salaries and supplying expensive perks while sheltering and exempting them from any obligation to pay taxes.
These clerics ain't no poor medieval monks living under vows of poverty. Many are nothing more than thinly disguised rapacious profiteers living lives of luxury and leisure equivalent to that of millionaires, on the backs, and the suffering of others.

11-21-2012, 03:31 PM	#1
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	The Pope Acknowledges 'Okay, So We Don't Know When Jesus Was Born' MERGED Okay so that's not the exact quote but here is the story: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...aims-Pope.html

11-21-2012, 03:32 PM	#2
Duvduv Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: USA Posts: 4,095	Pope Declares Jesus Born Earlier The article doesn't explain then how old their HJ would have been at the time of the alleged crucifixion or how many years he had a ministry. I guess there would be some discussion with people other than Dennis the Small, i.e. Irenaeus. What comes next, I wonder? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/reli...aims-Pope.html It looks like Stephan and I both posted the article at almost the same moment. I guess we don't need two threads on the same subject.

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11-21-2012, 03:49 PM	#3
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	On a slightly off topic subject, is this pope even capable of not looking like an evil bastard plotting world domination?

11-21-2012, 03:54 PM	#4
MrMacSon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: South Pacific Posts: 559	He doesn't know. Nobody knows. The ideas in the Jesus stories originated in stories based on prophecies in the Old Testament, and were given greater body (pun intended) as the stories were modified in the Messianic Age.

11-21-2012, 04:31 PM	#5
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	Christianity is in decline. He is hardly taking over the world. I think he is more worried about paying taxes in Italy one day or that Germany's model of taxing religious bodies will one day spread beyond Germany. I think this is an inevitability even here in America with debt problems. One day churches will be taxed like any private organization. Maybe in forty years, but it will happen.

11-21-2012, 04:33 PM	#7
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	It is worth noting that the Ethiopian calendar is off by seven years owing to some similar mistake. I forget how that one happened.

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