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Lugubert · 10-03-2004, 05:30 PM

Sanskrit pra- 'before, forward, forth'; jan- 'generate, beget, create'; pati- 'lord, master' --> Prajapati 'lord of creation'. Used for several deities, like Savitri, Soma, Agni, Indra etc. Compare Skr. devapati- 'god-lord, lord of the gods', used for Indra, with Persian dyauś pitar 'god father, father of gods' -->? Jupiter.

the_cave · 10-03-2004, 05:50 PM

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Japheth is actually a borrowing from Greek, Iapetos, the founder of the human (Greek) race after the flood. The table of nations in Genesis is heavily influenced by Greek thought.

Right and wrong, I think. Iapetos was not the Greek Noah--that was Deucalion, yes? But I think Deucalion may have been descended from Iapteos, so there's an association.

But the identification I think is probably right--the Catholic bible, for one, doesn't quite say so, but it does note many other parallels.

The link with Jupiter is pretty unlikely, despite the vague resemblance.

Jedi Mind Trick · 10-03-2004, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

Which mythicists? Which myths? I'm not a mythicist in the Jesus stakes: I sit on the fence. So, which myths? Then again I shy away fromthe term myth because of its inherently negative connotations. I tend to talk of traditions, yet accept the non-historical nature of most of these traditions.

A read for what purpose?

My mistake, I read into something you posted above and thought that you may have a positive view of Christ Myth ideas.

I am Just trying to get my bearings among all the areas debate regarding Jesus.
As I mentioned, I am(?) a Christian... sort of... Well, maybe now I'm an agnostic with a creeping sense of "what if." Anyway, you could say that I am waking up from a long nap. So that's why I am a such a sponge right now. :Cheeky:

Toto · 10-03-2004, 06:03 PM

If you are interested in the Jesus Myth, read the Jesus Puzzle ( www.jesuspuzzle.com or buy the book).

spin · 10-03-2004, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Rightmire

Spin, wouldn't this make the table of nations Aryan rather than Semitic?

Only the Iapetid line. Ham gets most of non-Semitic the bad guys. Shem, as you might understand gives the Semitic family.

spin

spin · 10-03-2004, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by anders

Sanskrit pra- 'before, forward, forth'; jan- 'generate, beget, create'; pati- 'lord, master' --> Prajapati 'lord of creation'. Used for several deities, like Savitri, Soma, Agni, Indra etc. Compare Skr. devapati- 'god-lord, lord of the gods', used for Indra, with Persian dyauś pitar 'god father, father of gods' -->? Jupiter.

Ta, Anders.

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the_cave,

While Deucalion was the Noah figure he wasn't a founder of a line to my understanding.

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little,

agnosis is a good healthy state to be in. It's not so easy, because you have to think, but that's good, isn't it? It's you doing the processing: you're not on overdrive.

spin

Amlodhi · 10-03-2004, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by little

Anyway, you could say that I am waking up from a long nap.

Good morning,

I have found that the coffee is usually on here, with the fragrance wafting through the air.

Amlodhi

Chris Weimer · 10-03-2004, 09:12 PM

man, I can't believe I missed this discussion. Damn work! Anyways... Damn, an other IndoEuropean discussion missed.

BTW - How can people truly be so stupid? mehercule! Iuppiter isn't even the "father of the races" and has clear etymological roots if only someone decided to use a DICTIONARY!

spin · 10-04-2004, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cweb255

man, I can't believe I missed this discussion. Damn work! Anyways... Damn, an other IndoEuropean discussion missed.

BTW - How can people truly be so stupid? mehercule! Iuppiter isn't even the "father of the races" and has clear etymological roots if only someone decided to use a DICTIONARY!

Where there's a will...

I haven't dealt with Uranus nor mine. Varuna the sky god is linguistically related to Uranus. I'm sure you could add some insight, somewhere.

spin

Chuck Rightmire · 10-04-2004, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spin

Only the Iapetid line. Ham gets most of non-Semitic the bad guys. Shem, as you might understand gives the Semitic family.

spin

Thank you. I knew about Shem; had forgotten about Ham, isn't he supposed to be the southern predecessors of the Semites?

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Lugubert Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Western Sweden Posts: 3,684	Sanskrit pra- 'before, forward, forth'; jan- 'generate, beget, create'; pati- 'lord, master' --> Prajapati 'lord of creation'. Used for several deities, like Savitri, Soma, Agni, Indra etc. Compare Skr. devapati- 'god-lord, lord of the gods', used for Indra, with Persian dyauś pitar 'god father, father of gods' -->? Jupiter.

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Chris Weimer Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: none Posts: 9,879	man, I can't believe I missed this discussion. Damn work! Anyways... Damn, an other IndoEuropean discussion missed. BTW - How can people truly be so stupid? mehercule! Iuppiter isn't even the "father of the races" and has clear etymological roots if only someone decided to use a DICTIONARY!

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