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Old 09-20-2008, 02:09 AM   #1
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Default Multiply-attested miracles in history

Debates on the historical Jesus tend to get into the nitty-gritty. Even some atheists seem to miss what is to me the simple problem with such arguments: that it is far more likely that a few people fabricated the stories, got confused, or were tricked by an illusionist than it is that Jesus was actually born of a virgin, walked on water, rose from the dead, etc.

This makes perfect sense even to Christians when you think about any other multiply-attested miracle in history. Most people don't believe in the miracle at Fatima, even though thousands attested to it, including many in print. The same goes for the Hindu milk miracle, the miracles of Vespasian, and other multiply-attested miracles.

The recorded miracle of Caesar Augustus' rise from the dead is a common comparison, but I have only found one source for that.

What are some other multiply-attested miracles that even believers do not trust, out of common sense?
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What are some other multiply-attested miracles that even believers do not trust, out of common sense?
In general, believers in Jesus do not accept miracles done by other Gods.

I think Zeus and Egyptian Gods used to do miracles, but miraculously they are all mythical, now, even Jesus.
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In general, believers in Jesus do not accept miracles done by other Gods.
Sometimes they claim that demons performed them but without telling us how we know which miracles are done by "good" spirits.
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In general, believers in Jesus do not accept miracles done by other Gods.
Sometimes they claim that demons performed them but without telling us how we know which miracles are done by "good" spirits.
Yeah, that's what my parents say.
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In order to walk on water, Jesus would have had to displace his weight in water.
I would expect that Jesus had very large feet.

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Peter, be careful ! Look at the stones of the ford ! Put your feet exactly where I have put my feet, by God !

And, Welcome nickpecoraro !
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Peter, be careful ! Look at the stones of the ford ! Put your feet exactly where I have put my feet, by God !
Wow. How. . .rationalist of you. I thought this kind of thing died with Strauss?

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