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Chili · 09-11-2004, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Warthur

However, deliberately causing blindness or deafness in someone *is* an appalling thing to do, and that's precisely what the verse is referring to.

Ever heard of the triple S syndrome? Snot is the nose, soup in the eyes and shit in the ears is what is meant here.

Magus55 · 09-11-2004, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepWaters

Oh, so human beings CREATED evil? That would mean we can create something that God can't. (Same goes for if you blame Satan.)

The many (if not most?) Jews don't seem to have a problem with God creating evil. They say that he made evil and good so that humans could choose one or the other.

Who said evil is even a creation? Does darkness actually exist, or is it merely the absence of light?

Clivedurdle · 09-11-2004, 02:43 PM

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Does darkness actually exist?

But a shadow, with its dark umbra and not quite so dark penumbra is created by putting any object in a source of light!

So, if God is light, by him creating anything, he also creates shadows and darkness, unless of course God's light shines from all directions.

And because God is meant to be everywhere and in everything, how is it possible for anything to be in darkness?

Wasn't the alleged heresy of the Albegensians that they thought Yahweh was some kind of imposter, saying stupid things like I am that I am, and not being conscious of his evil?

Two options - God is evil, God is an imaginary construct

Jackalope · 09-11-2004, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

I don't think you can quite consider blindness or deafness to be "evil".

Thus speaks the able-bodied person. This sounds suspiciously similar to the arguments that suffering is somehow good for us...which are never forwarded by those who are actually doing the suffering. Do try living as a disabled person before you claim that someone who would intentionally create those conditions is not evil.

--Jackalope the Cranky Crip.

NOGO · 09-11-2004, 03:52 PM

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Magus55
Slight error in your use of this verse. Evil refers to calamity, not moral evil that we think of when we hear the word evil.

According to the Bible the God of the Bible created evil.
When man are of the apple his eyes opened and although he knew no evil before he learned by eating the apple of the tree of "good and evil".
Who created the tree?
Yahweh!

Soul Invictus · 09-13-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

I don't think you can quite consider blindness or deafness to be "evil".

I agree. According to Christian doctrine, it would be a sin though...

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