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Light · 11-14-2003, 11:43 PM

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.p...61#post1280661

See: Matthew: 23:27

Toto · 11-15-2003, 12:23 AM

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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness.

Did you want to start a discussion based on the post that you linked to? It might be more appropriate in GRD.

Light · 11-15-2003, 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by Toto
Did you want to start a discussion based on the post that you linked to? It might be more appropriate in GRD.

I hadn't thought of GRD it might be better for me to re-post it there.

I am trying to establish a non-religious but still formal belief system based in science, in order to remove any "religious" or state hypocrisy in the way in which "laws" are applied to the fair management and treatment of the people and the running of the planet.

This is also aimed at removing all hypocrisy from Global society.

Very basically the belief which I have, based in science, comprises, Big-Bang=God, therefore the first Ten Words of the Bible are true.

What modern people do not readily accept is that the Bible, when it goes on to say that all this was accomplished in six days and then there was a period of one days rest, is actually God setting an example for people to follow in Biblical Terminology.

God is ... actually ... indicating that as He is prepared to work for six days and have a day off then He would not expect anyone else to do more.

In this He is indicating that He will treat ALL people as equals if they will just show respect for Him, believe in Him and obey His Commandments and other instructions.

Celsus · 11-15-2003, 06:14 AM

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Originally posted by Light
I hadn't thought of GRD it might be better for me to re-post it there.

I'll save you the trouble of reposting and send it there.

Joel

Light · 11-15-2003, 06:35 AM

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Originally posted by Celsus
I'll save you the trouble of reposting and send it there.

Joel

Thank you.

mark9950 · 11-17-2003, 08:35 PM

Jesus was a false prophet who wanted the power to be a god.

You must understand the jewish view on jesus and another reference such as the talmud.

The talmud was a list of specific laws that the ancient hebrews(jews) followed in their religion(they claim the talmud was given to them by moses).

These ancient jews had details on the general ten commandments(such as picking grain on the sabbath)

Jesus wanted to change the laws because he did not like them and wanted the Jews to follow him as God and add himself to create a so called trinity. You know the fig tree story he cursed the tree because figs were out of season(he threw a tantrum).

Jesus was power hungry(like david koresh was) when he walked the earth and walked the earth like he was God.

Magus55 · 11-17-2003, 08:41 PM

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Originally posted by mark9950
Jesus was a false prophet who wanted the power to be a god.

You must understand the jewish view on jesus and another reference such as the talmud.

The talmud was a list of specific laws that the ancient hebrews(jews) followed in their religion(they claim the talmud was given to them by moses).

These ancient jews had details on the general ten commandments(such as picking grain on the sabbath)

Jesus wanted to change the laws because he did not like them and wanted the Jews to follow him as God and add himself to create a so called trinity. You know the fig tree story he cursed the tree because figs were out of season(he threw a tantrum).

Jesus was power hungry(like david koresh was) when he walked the earth and walked the earth like he was God.

What the heck does this have to do with anything? I can see you really have a hatred for Jesus. All your posts are he is liar, he is a false prophet, he is greedy! Are you trying to prove something?

Gurdur · 11-17-2003, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Light
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I am trying to establish a non-religious but still formal belief system based in science,

Impossible.
Science says nothing at all about prescriptive ethics, aesthetics, or governance, or prescriptive economics.

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in order to remove any "religious" or state hypocrisy in the way in which "laws" are applied to the fair management and treatment of the people and the running of the planet.

Then you're out of luck already.
See above,

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Very basically the belief which I have, based in science, comprises, Big-Bang=God, therefore the first Ten Words of the Bible are true.

Ay yai yai yai.
That is functionally equivalent to saying,
Wombats rule OK.

It really doesn't contribute much.

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What modern people do not readily accept is that the Bible, when it goes on to say that all this was accomplished in six days and then there was a period of one days rest, is actually God setting an example for people to follow in Biblical Terminology.

Wombats ruleth OK, then ?

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God is ... actually ... indicating that as He is prepared to work for six days and have a day off then He would not expect anyone else to do more.

8 hours of work,
8 hours of play,
8 hours of sleep,
And 8 bob a day.

God as trade-unionist ?

Light · 11-18-2003, 04:56 AM

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Originally posted by Gurdur
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Originally posted by Light
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I am trying to establish a non-religious but still formal belief system based in science,
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Impossible.
Science says nothing at all about prescriptive ethics, aesthetics, or governance, or prescriptive economics.

But I do, have done, and will continue to do so. And so do MANY other people. US, UN, OECD, World Bank, Federal Reserve, etc.

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In order to remove any "religious" or state hypocrisy in the way in which "laws" are applied to the fair management and treatment of the people and the running of the planet.
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Then you're out of luck already.
See above,
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We are working on all of that too, with a one-child policy, in respect of China.
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Very basically the belief which I have, based in science, comprises, Big-Bang=God, therefore the first Ten Words of the Bible are true.
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That is functionally equivalent to saying,
Wombats rule OK.

It really doesn't contribute much.

It is the basis of a One Belief system based in Science, and as shown by Egypt, which is common to everyone. One Creator of One People.

You would also have to keep up with all of the other threads.

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What modern people do not readily accept is that the Bible, when it goes on to say that all this was accomplished in six days and then there was a period of one days rest, is actually God setting an example for people to follow in Biblical Terminology.
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Wombats ruleth OK, then?

Given the current state of work/play I would prefer a ten day week 5/5, and the same (Christian) calendar to be used by everybody. NOT because of "religion" as opposed to belief but because of common sense and unification.

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God is ... actually ... indicating that as He is prepared to work for six days and have a day off then He would not expect anyone else to do more.
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8 hours of work,
8 hours of play,
8 hours of sleep,
And 8 bob a day.

God as trade-unionist ?

Another point for unification. Wages and prices should be the same the world over, and could be if there was a one-child family model which was also in use Globally.

And what does God get per day? 24hrs work for no pay. I suppose He could do it all for you, but then you would get nothing and He would get everything.

I must remember to suggest this simple plan to Him.

mark9950 · 11-18-2003, 11:56 AM

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What the heck does this have to do with anything? I can see you really have a hatred for Jesus. All your posts are he is liar, he is a false prophet, he is greedy! Are you trying to prove something?

According to the jews he was a false prophet and they are the ones who killed him.

Why did the jews(his own people) have him crucified? why dont you do me and yourself a favor and go to any jewish synogogue(except the jews for jesus) and ask questions about jesus and the talmud.

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11-17-2003, 08:35 PM	#6
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Jesus was a false prophet who wanted the power to be a god. You must understand the jewish view on jesus and another reference such as the talmud. The talmud was a list of specific laws that the ancient hebrews(jews) followed in their religion(they claim the talmud was given to them by moses). These ancient jews had details on the general ten commandments(such as picking grain on the sabbath) Jesus wanted to change the laws because he did not like them and wanted the Jews to follow him as God and add himself to create a so called trinity. You know the fig tree story he cursed the tree because figs were out of season(he threw a tantrum). Jesus was power hungry(like david koresh was) when he walked the earth and walked the earth like he was God.

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