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03-15-2007, 04:13 AM
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Thanks Joe,
Your summary page has some probability calculations which seemingly calculate the odds that so many incidents in the gospel(s) appear to be correlated with incidents elsewhere - parallels in the writings of Josephus. Have any of your critics covered this specific issue yet? |
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03-15-2007, 04:54 AM
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Why this thread hasn't gone to "elsewhere" will probably be more of a historical mystery than anything it talks about.
I always liked "Christ is an astonaut from the future" argument more. At least it makes me want to grab some popcorn... |
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03-15-2007, 05:07 AM
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03-15-2007, 05:19 AM
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Mountainman:
Of course. Did you listen to my debate with Robert Price for example? Joe Logos: Yes the thread is getting strange in that the comments are becoming exclusively ad hominen. Why do you think critics do not with to contest the analysis? Joe Joe |
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03-15-2007, 07:33 AM
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Julian:
Josephus wrote in the preface to Wars that he had written it first in Hebrew and then translated it into Greek. Like the 'Hebrew Gospels' no copies have ever been found. Joe Joe |
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03-15-2007, 04:58 PM
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If so, can you point me at it. |
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03-15-2007, 05:10 PM
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Historia Augusta, the classic example of historiographic mystery. ‘Cambridge histories were not common in antiquity.' Needless to say, the "Bible" and its "Ecclesiatical History" were first published in the same century as this mystery, quite possibly by the same collegiate teamwork. Mainstreamers or ad hominem inspired posters should understand that their position is filled with mysterious inconsistencies, and bolstered by faith and tradition against the apalling lack of scientific and/or archeological evidence. |
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03-15-2007, 05:11 PM
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03-15-2007, 05:22 PM
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reiterate, suggest, point to and allude to a situation in which the gospels were fabricated, as Emperor Julian did. Just think of the exercise as screening culprits. If the gospels were fabricated, then there were one or more historical fabricators, and a modus operandi, a place of "shall-we-say-inspiration" and a date, somewhere before the year 330 CE when the gospels were first published in context by the King of the Roman Empire, Constantine. |
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03-15-2007, 05:43 PM
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As I am sure you are aware, Constantine was a Flavian. He simply made his family's 'Christ' cult the state religion. All of the court historians stated that the Flavian Caesar was the 'Christ'. Cassius Dio, Roman history 65.8.1, 66.1.4; Flavius Josephus, Jewish War 3.399-404 and 6.310-315; Suetonius, Life of Vespasian 4.5; Tacitus, Histories 5.13; Zonaras, Epitome 11.16. "In this way conquer" indeed. Joe |
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