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premjan · 09-21-2009, 03:15 PM

Aren't Russians Christians?

arnoldo · 09-21-2009, 04:18 PM

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In another thread, IBelieveInHymn said:

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The reason why I believe we are living in the end times and other generations were not.......

1. Israel was reborn as a Nation in 1948. . .
God said 'Israel will be reborn as a nation, and all of the Jews will gather in Israel in the final days'.

This didn't happen until 1948. So, The generations before 1948 were just on the lunatic fringe. Everyone was screaming "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!" Meanwhile, they were NOT paying attention to the signs Jesus preached.

These so called "prophecies" were all merely written after the fact, the ambiguities in these prophecies were done intentionally in order to make these predictions look authentic. Mark 13 is an example of such an after the fact prophecy.

Toto · 09-21-2009, 04:48 PM

I'm not sure what arnoldo's point is. The formation of the state of Israel in 1948 was not a prophecy invented after the fact. It was an act based on the Bible - so the fulfillment was a deliberate act, not an indication of anything other than Christian influence in world politics.

Minimalist · 09-21-2009, 05:09 PM

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that one day the Jews would return to God and to the land of Israel which he promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

In fulfillment of Bible prophecy for the End Times, this occurred on May 15, 1948 as the United Nations officially recognized Israel as a sovereign nation, a major sign of Christ's nearness.

Well that sure as hell hasn't happened. There are more Jews in the US than there are in Israel. Guess 'god' got that one wrong, too?

IBelieveInHymn · 09-21-2009, 05:36 PM

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Yes, I said "The water is gone". I didn't say the entire river has vanished. I said "the Euphrates is drying up"

Once again.. you misread what I write. I never said "The river has run dry". When I said "It will be Flowing", I meant how it was a few years ago.

I've said all along, "The Euphrates river running dry is a sign of the times". You are the one that is adding words to my posts, or simply mis-quoting me.

Yes, Once again.. I have said this all along. The Euphrates is losing massive amounts of water. The Book of Revelation said this river will dry up in the end of days. And I've said all along "It's drying up as we speak"... I never said the river is gone.

I fully understand that a dam can release water. Once again, you have misunderstood me. This is a political issue that probably won't be resolved.

My photo is proof that the river is dwindling. As foretold by John nearly 2,000 years ago.

Of course it's not dried up yet. We are in the final stages of the end. John said this specific river will dry up, and it's happening. There is no rebuttal against this event. What we are witnessing is the prophecy of John being fulfilled.

Actually, there is no debate on this issue. The Book of Revelation said this day would eventually come, and here we are.

You are trying to debunk this prophecy by claiming "the river is not dried up". well, not yet anyway. What will you say when the entire river is gone, and your little plan of releasing a dam fails you?

The "prophesy" debunks itself. It needs no help from us.

We wonder tho how you propose to understand the bible when you have trouble with understanding your own words:

"The water in the river is gone due to the Iraqi's misuse and the dam project."

"the river is dwindling"

"And I never said "the Euphrates has DRIED up"... I said "It is drying up", as foretold by John.

" The Euphrates River has run dry in 2009."

"I never said "The river has run dry".

"I have said all along, "It's happening". I have never said "the river is completely gone"

And I've said all along "It's drying up as we speak"... I never said the river is gone.

"The Euphrates River has run dry in 2009."

Yes, I did say those things, and I can show you pictures where the river has run dry. I'm not backing down from what I said.. It still stands.

You are misinterpreting my quotes.

I didn't mean the entire river is gone.

Now you have the facts.

IBelieveInHymn · 09-21-2009, 05:37 PM

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Of course scientists won't claim "the end is near" if any other rivers run dry. Because the Bible predicted specifically the Euphrates.

The Euphrates River has not dried up.

It's on it's way.. just watch and see..

IBelieveInHymn · 09-21-2009, 05:38 PM

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Message to IBelieveInHymn: Skeptics have adequately refuted Bible prophecies for centuries? Why must you try to reinvent the wheel? The Internet contains hundreds if not thousands of adequate rebuttals to your claims.

Bring them to me. I will show how they are 100% inaccurate. :wave:

IBelieveInHymn · 09-21-2009, 05:39 PM

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that one day the Jews would return to God and to the land of Israel which he promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

In fulfillment of Bible prophecy for the End Times, this occurred on May 15, 1948 as the United Nations officially recognized Israel as a sovereign nation, a major sign of Christ's nearness.

Well that sure as hell hasn't happened. There are more Jews in the US than there are in Israel. Guess 'god' got that one wrong, too?

huh? :huh:

arnoldo · 09-21-2009, 05:53 PM

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I'm not sure what arnoldo's point is. The formation of the state of Israel in 1948 was not a prophecy invented after the fact. . . .

Right, the return of Israel in the 20th century was a partial fulfillment of prophecy written thousand of years earlier. See: Ezekiel 37:1-14

Sai · 09-21-2009, 06:22 PM

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The "prophesy" debunks itself. It needs no help from us.

We wonder tho how you propose to understand the bible when you have trouble with understanding your own words:

"The water in the river is gone due to the Iraqi's misuse and the dam project."

"the river is dwindling"

"And I never said "the Euphrates has DRIED up"... I said "It is drying up", as foretold by John.

" The Euphrates River has run dry in 2009."

"I never said "The river has run dry".

"I have said all along, "It's happening". I have never said "the river is completely gone"

And I've said all along "It's drying up as we speak"... I never said the river is gone.

"The Euphrates River has run dry in 2009."

Yes, I did say those things, and I can show you pictures where the river has run dry. I'm not backing down from what I said.. It still stands.

You are misinterpreting my quotes.

I didn't mean the entire river is gone.

Now you have the facts.

Dont put it on me that I "misinterpreted". I am very good with English.

Look at what you said:

" The Euphrates River has run dry in 2009."

"I never said "The river has run dry".

Simple declarative statements of (presumed) fact. Nothing to "interpret".

Both of these statements are false. and they contradict not just the facts, but each other. It does not matter much what you MEANT, all we can see is what you say.

If you learn to use English to properly express yourself you will find that less time is wasted with people pointing out that what you say is contradictory and makes no sense.

As for not backing down, i can see that you will just keep changing your statement, denying, and tossing out little strawmen like "I never said" something that nobody thinks you said. Heck, you didnt say the moon is made of blue cheese, either.

Some people have a problem with admitting they are wrong, or made a misstatement. I dont; I'm happy to admit I'm wrong when i am wrong. Why not? My ego isnt so brittle that i have to always be right no matter what. i actually like to learn things.

This is not worth pursuing further. I was interested to see if you were capable of accepting that you were in error on something very simple and obvious.

Debating more complex or sophisticated subjects is a complete waste of time,if this one is too hard: "the river has run dry / the river has not run dry."

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