mg01

That these are related is well established. Ancient Persian mythology from the Avesta and the Indian Rigvedas share many of the same gods, concepts, and similarities in language. Persian Mithra is Vedic Mitra for example. The Persian side deveopled into Zoroastrianisn and the Indian side into Hinduism. Each side also demonized the others' divinities, the Hindu term devas used for their divinities was used in Zoroastrianism for "devils".

Also the similarities between Judism and Zorastrianism are unmistakable and do not appear in Biblical texts until after the exile. Most notable is the appearance of "the adversary", arch-angels, an afterlife in either heaven or hell, and the concept of a world savior and final judgement by the "good god" which was blended into the Judism's "day of YHWH" and messianic expectation from the prophets (an earthly event related to the restoration of Israel turned heavenly).

aa5874

I thought I said that I wanted no conjectures. Your reply is just conjecture.

All the major beliefs are just government-backed conjectures with the added elements of eternal punishment after death and persecution on earth for those who reject these conjectures.

And I have solid proof.

When Constantine backed Paganism, Christians were persecuted and killled. After Constantine backed Christianity, then Paganism evaporated.

Ben C Smith

What?!?

Ben.

crispy

paarsurrey, you do realize that the only argument you have is your opinion and quotes from a source that doesnt qualify as history, but merely assertions from a time long past :>

No offense intended, but you first have to prove that the text you refer to are really true (ie. prove whatever god you want, and that he got man to write those texts).

What if i brought about texts from the Edda of norse mythology proving that many gods were the default position?

WWJD4aKlondikeBar

Is that supposed to be a more complex way of saying "I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim"?



I just wrote the following on a piece of paper:

These words are the true word of God and whatever Klondike thinks happened is true, regardless of any "evidence" that reality suggests.

What do you have to say about that?

Well the fact of the matter is that there is solid proof, not just conjecture. I appreciate you respecting my faith, but what really matters here is whether you're capable of respecting FACTS that happen to contradict your holy book. Without that, we aren't really talking.

Sheshbazzar

A statement such as "The first to start with, there were believers in ONE GOD", is a statement of a religious position, and a statement of faith.
And as all the "Abrahamic" religions use The Book of Genesis as the foundation of their religions, the text implies the creation date of the world took place in approximately 4000 B.C. and that prior to this time "the world was without form, and void". [Gen 1:2]
From a purely historical perspective such a late date for "the creation of the heavens and the earth" [Gen1:1, 2:4] is totally untenable, as we have the archaeological evidences that mankind was making statues of his gods far back as 8000 B.C. and further, some 4000 + years before the time that The Book of Genesis would allow that the world even existed.
Science, and the account of creation and the age of the world as it is given in the Genesis creation account are incompatible.
The archaeological evidence proves that multiple "gods" were what was normal for thousands of years before the time that the Bible says the world was created.
Also the Bible was not written at creation, but additional thousands of years latter, and as such serves as a very poor witness to things that took place thousands of years before it even allow for any existence of anything at all.
All of the further claims of both The New Testament and the Qu'ran, are both built upon this same unstable foundation of sand.

paarsurrey

Hi

Zoroastrians are Monotheist people in Bombay and Karachi as far as I know, I have met many of them personally and read many of their books and know of them with certainty, previously it was held that they are dualists. Cyrus the Great a Zoroastrian, his account in Quran by the name Zul-Qurnain, he was a Monotheist for certain. Similarly there are sects in Hinduism who are monotheists.

History is not as accurate as Mathematics or Physics; there are divergent opinions to choose from.

I respect your viewpoint.

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paarsurrey

Hi

I always like the opposing views like yours and others here. This way we get to know the truth and I appreciate. In my opinion there is no hundred per cent accurate scientific data with my opposing friends, you would also agree on this, if there is one kindly tell me the percentage of accuracy, only theories and hypothesis.

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paarsurrey

Hi

Sanatam Dharam, a Hindu sect in Hinduism is Monotheist; Sikhism is also Monotheistic.

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paarsurrey

Hi

I now give account of Cyrus the Great, as mentioned in Quran by the name Zul-Qurnain:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 18: Al-Kahf

[18:84] And they ask thee concerning Dhu'l Qarnain. Say, 'I will recite to you something of his account.'
[18:85] We established him in the earth and gave him the means to achieve everything.
[18:86] The he followed a certain way.
[18:87] Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting as if in a pool of murky water, and near it he found a people. We said, 'O Dhu'l Qarnain, you may punish them, or treat them with kindness.'
[18:88] He said, 'As for him who does wrong, we shall certainly punish him; then shall he be brought back to his Lord, who will punish him with a dreadful punishment;
[18:89] 'But as for him who believes and act righteously, he will have a good reward with his Lord, and We too shall speak to him easy words of Our command.'

[18:90] Then indeed he followed another way.
[18:91] Until he reached the rising-place of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had made no shelter against it.
[18:92] Thus indeed it was. Verily, We had full knowledge of all that he had with him.
[18:93] Then he followed another way.
[18:94] Until when he reached the open place between the two mountain mountains, he found, beneath them a people who could scarcely understand a word of what he said.
[18:95] They said, 'O Dhu'l Qarnain, verily, Gog and Magog are creating disorder in the earth; shall we then pay tribute on condition that thou set up a barrier between us and them?'
[18:96] He replied, 'The power with which my Lord has endowed me about this is better than the resources of my enemies but you may help me with strength of labourers, I will set up a rampart between you and them;
[18:97] 'Bring me blocks of iron.' They did so till, when he had filled up the space between the two mountains sides, he said, 'Now blow with your bellows.' They blew till, when he had made it red as fire, he said, 'Bring me molten copper that I may pour it thereon.'
[18:98] So they (Gog and Magog) were not able to scale it, nor were they able to dig through it.
[18:99] Thereupon he said, 'This is a mercy from my Lord. But when the promise of my Lord shall come to pass, He will break it into pieces. And the promise of my Lord is certainly true.'
[18:100] And on that day We shall leave some of them to surge against others, and the trumpet will be blown. Then shall We gather them all together.

http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=18&verse=79

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