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Old 02-04-2006, 08:31 PM   #1
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The "wise men from the East" who came to adore Jesus in Bethlehem of Juda.
No they did not come to adore but they entered to bring the dowry that was due to Joseph. I call it the dowry which really is the essence of Mary that was kept from him ever since he (Joseph) left Eden as an Adam (ie. the woman was taken from man and is really the essence of man now to be explored in Purgatory (Galilee = Purgatory)). This dowry, or the essence of Mary, is the storehouse of wisdom that she accumulated for up to One Thousand Years as the woman who presides over the Tree of Life towards gaining, wisdom food and beauty in the lineage of Joseph to whom Mary is now appearing as a Virgin (= in the generation of Joseph) because of his worthiness. As an aside, Jesus is the reborn Joseph and the "Pieta" shows that the physical features of Mary and Jesus are identical to bring this 'dowry' message across.

Note that Mary was from Nazareth which is the City of God in Judaism in the same way a we have Rome after the 'dark ages' when Rome was built. Ie. Mary is from Rome these days and our dowry must come from Rome instead of Nazareth.

Compare this with the shepherds who adored but did not enter. Notice that the shepherds saw Joseph, Mary and the child while Joseph was absent when the Magi looked in and it was upon seeing the absence of Joseph that they entered with the dowry of faith hope and charity so he might complete the race and "finish it." Note that the absense of Joseph is very significant (beyond theology while inside the cocoon) .

The calender change is true but I hold that the reason for this calender change was that protestants got born again (in a hurry) without ever receiving this dowry (no epiphany of any kind) and therefore will never be able to complete the race they enter until they die (and that is supposed to take care of everything). The contradiction here is that true followers of Jesus (Jesuits or Nazoreans by nature) are able to complete this race and will enter heaven in this same Thousand Year Reign that is already in their midst while they are alive on this earth where they linger until they die their second death of the body in old age. Hence we say "through Mary to Jesus."

My reason for stating that Epiphany is the first promise that resurrection will follow makes an allusion to the many born again people for whom resurrection never follows and therefore they die "nonetheless" (Jn.6:58) . . . which really was the reason that Jesus came to show us the way.
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Here is a summary of this story, taken from Catholic Encyclopedia :

Catholics insist that it is a narrative of fact, supporting their interpretation with the evidence of all manuscripts and versions, and patristic citations. Rationalists class the story of the Magi with the so-called "legends of the childhood of Jesus", later apocryphal additions to the Gospels. Admitting only internal evidence, they say, this evidence does not stand the test of criticism.
I would call it "fact" but see the childhood of Jesus as a metaphor for the infancy after renewal when 'mother Mary' nurtures the 'newborn' to life. I believe that the 10 days between Christmas and Epiphany are 'real time' as they seem to be part of most divine comedies I know. In the Gospels it 'measures' the distance the magi traveled from Eden to the place where Joseph was lost (Bethlehem is a state of mind that only Mary knows how to find). The duration of this journey can be seen as a 'degree of lostness,' or the 'density of the cocoon we have spun' would be another metaphor for this sentiment.
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Yes well the bible tells us that the magi looked in and it was upon seeing what they saw that they entered while the shepherds came to see what was foretold and admired what they saw. I just gave you the long version of that.
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could you quote your source, please ?
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could you quote your source, please ?
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