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Old 05-09-2008, 05:26 AM   #1
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Default Non-Christian exorcism around Paul's time?

While Jesus is portrayed as an exorcist in the Gospels, I haven't found anything in pagan literature about exorcism. I know that pagans regarded daemons as good creatures generally (intermediaries for the True Gods), but some were certainly regarded as bad.

Does anyone know of any references to exorcism in the first few centuries, outside of the NT?
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While Jesus is portrayed as an exorcist in the Gospels, I haven't found anything in pagan literature about exorcism. I know that pagans regarded daemons as good creatures generally (intermediaries for the True Gods), but some were certainly regarded as bad.

Does anyone know of any references to exorcism in the first few centuries, outside of the NT?
I know this is Jewish exorcism, not pagan, but just to make sure you have it in your files, here is a bit from Antiquities 8.2.5 by Josephus:
God also enabled him to learn that skill which expels demons, which is a science useful and sanative to men. He composed such incantations also by which distempers are alleviated. And he left behind him the manner of using exorcisms, by which they drive away demons, so that they never return; and this method of cure is of great force unto this day; for I have seen a certain man of my own country, whose name was Eleazar, releasing people that were demoniacal in the presence of Vespasian, and his sons, and his captains, and the whole multitude of his soldiers. The manner of the cure was this: He put a ring that had a Foot of one of those sorts mentioned by Solomon to the nostrils of the demoniac, after which he drew out the demon through his nostrils; and when the man fell down immediately, he abjured him to return into him no more, making still mention of Solomon, and reciting the incantations which he composed. And when Eleazar would persuade and demonstrate to the spectators that he had such a power, he set a little way off a cup or basin full of water, and commanded the demon, as he went out of the man, to overturn it, and thereby to let the spectators know that he had left the man; and when this was done, the skill and wisdom of Solomon was shown very manifestly: for which reason it is, that all men may know the vastness of Solomon's abilities, and how he was beloved of God, and that the extraordinary virtues of every kind with which this king was endowed may not be unknown to any people under the sun for this reason, I say, it is that we have proceeded to speak so largely of these matters.
There is a reference to Jesus in the context of an exorcism in one of the Paris papyri.

At the moment, however, I am drawing a blank on purely pagan exorcisms.

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You could try Jesus the Magician (or via: amazon.co.uk) by Morton Smith (Harper & Row: 1978), as this book includes a section on Pagan understandings of magic and magicians.

For actual spells curent in the 2nd century CE try The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation: Including the Demotic Spells (or via: amazon.co.uk) edited by Hans Dieter Betz (Volume One: Texts, U of Chicago Press, 1986). However, I didn't see any that resembled the "exorcisms" of the NT. In antiquity, illness and disease were thought to be caused by daimones. Any spell to prevent or cure an ailment is actually a magical instruction to a daimon or daimones to STOP doing their job. That has a similiarity to the idea of driving out a daimon, but this might be a cultual distinction. The magical papyri are Greek and Egyptian, and daimon possession seems to be more of a Jewish cultural concept.

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Does anyone know of any references to exorcism in the first few centuries, outside of the NT?
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Among the ancient pagan nations diabolical possession was frequent (Maspero, "Hist. anc. des peuples de l'Orient", 41; Lenormant, "La magie chez les Chaldéens"), as it is still among their successors (Ward, "History of the Hindoos", v., I, 2; Roberts, "Oriental Illustrations of the Scriptures"; Doolittle, "Social Life of the Chinese").
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I know this is Jewish exorcism, not pagan, but just to make sure you have it in your files, here is a bit from Antiquities 8.2.5 by Josephus:
[INDENT]He put a ring that had a Foot of one of those sorts mentioned by Solomon...
What "sorts mentioned by Solomon" is he talking about here?
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"There are also examples of exorcisms from non-Jewish sources (see Lucian of Samosata, Philopseudes, 16; Philostratus, The Life of Apollonius of Tyana, 3.38; 4.20). (See M. Dibelius, The Formation of the Gospel Tradition, 88-89.) See also Plutarch, Quest. Conv. VII, 5, 4 (II, 760 d-e)." SOURCE
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I know this is Jewish exorcism, not pagan, but just to make sure you have it in your files, here is a bit from Antiquities 8.2.5 by Josephus:
[INDENT]He put a ring that had a Foot of one of those sorts mentioned by Solomon...
What "sorts mentioned by Solomon" is he talking about here?
Ah, good catch. I think that is a typo in the online versions. The Greek is ριζα, or root. As for the source of this mystical knowledge of exorcistic roots, I really have no idea. Perhaps some apocryphal text attributed to Solomon; there seem to have been dozens of them.

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This is extremely messy ground! PG Maxwell-Stuart Witchcraft a History comments

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The situation was summed up by the fifteenth century theologian Pedro Ciruelo:

"Anyone who maintains a pact or treaty or friendship with the Devil commits a very grave sin because he is breaking the first commandment and is sinning against God, committing the crime of treason or lese majeste. His action is also contrary to the religious vow he made when he was baptiized. He becomes an apostate from Christ and an idolater who renders service to the enemy of God, the devil."

reprobacion de las superstiones...


It should not come as a surprise then to find that one of the most common reactions to someone's possession by an evil spirit was to have the demon "exorcised", a word based on the Greek "to set free from an oath." In the pagan Graeco-Roman world this process was offiicially regarded with grave suspicion. The jurist Ulpian for example refused to take exorcists seriously.

"Someone will perhaps acknowledge as doctors those who promise a cure for some part of the body or for a particular physical pain - an ear specialist, let us say, or a specialist in fistulas or the teeth. But one must not aknowledge such a person as a doctor if he has used incantations, if he has uttered [magical] curses, or if (and here I use the common expression employed by charlatans) he has exorcised his patient.

The second century AD litterateur Lucian was even more scathing.

"The exorcist with his halitosis cast out many a daimon when he spoke, not because he bound them with an oath, but by the power of his dung-like breath."


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Exorcisms quickly established themselves as battle grounds for magicians and Christian priests to demonstrate their superior command over non human entities - the hagiographies of early Christian saints are full of these and similar stories - and indeed so useful was the rite as an exhibition of power that it continued well past the Reformation as Catholics and Protestants sought to prove the authenticity of their respective claims to religious rectitude...




So yes, exorcism is pre xian, but it became rapidly a defining feature of xianity.

If there is any evidence for a real Jesus I would look here, as a charlatan - Jesi Halitosi!

And in fact xianity is actually a superstitious ragbag that learned how to gain power. Lucian was directly very rude about this oriental cult and their battles with other magicians.
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I did not realise an exorcism is carried out at every catholic baptism.

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an adjuration addressed to evil spirits to force them to abandon an object, place, or person; technically, a ceremony used in both Jewish and Christian traditions to expel demons from persons who have come under their power. The rites and practices of preliterate people to ward off or to expel evil spirits are also a form of exorcism, though they are sometimes considered witchcraft.

In the Christian tradition, Jesus expelled demons by a word and stated that this act was a sign of the coming of God’s Kingdom. His followers, and others as well, drove out demons “in his name.” In the first two centuries of the Christian era, the power of exorcism was considered a special gift that might be bestowed on anyone, lay or cleric. About ad 250, however, there appeared a special class of the lower clergy, called exorcists, to whom was entrusted this special function. About the same time, exorcism became one of the ceremonies preparatory to baptism, and it has remained a part of the Roman Catholic baptismal service.
The exorcism of persons possessed by demons is carefully regulated by canon law in the Roman Catholic church, and the elaborate rite is contained in the Roman ritual.

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Thanks for the replies, everyone! That helps me alot.
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