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Toto · 04-11-2011, 12:31 PM

From the Huffington Post: Roger Isaacs: Passover In Egypt: Did the Exodus Really Happen?

Isaacs finds four very weak pieces of evidence in this promo piece for his book, Talking With God: The Radioactive Ark of the Testimony. Communication Through It. Protection From It. (or via: amazon.co.uk).

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In Isaacs' view, the words traditionally translated holy, sanctify, glory, sin, atone, plague, soul, testimony, cherubim, etc., have completely different meanings. When they are all assembled, the result is a startling picture that is directly related to the laws of radiation physics and chemistry as we understand them today.

hjalti · 04-11-2011, 12:42 PM

Riiiight.

Tom Sawyer · 04-11-2011, 12:51 PM

Also, if you translate those words in other ways, the Bible gives you a nice recipe for shepard's pie.

Keith&Co. · 04-11-2011, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Also, if you translate those words in other ways, the Bible gives you a nice recipe for shepard's pie.

i thought it was the perfect egg salad recipe?

Vampyroteuthis · 04-11-2011, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Also, if you translate those words in other ways, the Bible gives you a nice recipe for shepard's pie.

No no! It's a recipe for bloody mary mix!

Perspicuo · 04-11-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vampyroteuthis

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Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Also, if you translate those words in other ways, the Bible gives you a nice recipe for shepard's pie.

No no! It's a recipe for bloody mary mix!

Heretic!

Eldarion Lathria · 04-11-2011, 08:48 PM

It also contains the following. "The persons, places and events mentioned herein are fictional, and have no connection with real events, or real persons, living or dead."

Eldarion Lathria

Johnny Skeptic · 04-11-2011, 10:45 PM

Also from the website:

"How could plagues described in an Egyptian papyrus be so similar to those found in the Bible? In the early 1800s, a papyrus was found in Egypt called The Admonitions of an Egyptian. It is now in the Leiden Museum in Holland. An Egyptian named Ipuwer wrote it at the end of the Middle Kingdom, around 1650 B.C.E.; scribes copied it in the 19th Dynasty, in the 1200s B.C.E. Below are some of the amazingly similar plagues described in both the Ipuwer papyrus and the Bible. (The biblical plagues befell the Egyptians at the time of Moses and the Exodus, which has been dated sometime between 1570 to 1290 B.C.E.)"

Isn't it plausible or probable that the Ipuwer papyrus is fiction, and some Hebrews writers used it as a source?

If the Ten Plagues occurred, news of such spectacular, sometimes nationwide events would have quickly spread all over the Middle East and beyond, and would have endured by word of mouth for many centuries. Wouldn't at least some records other than the Bible and the Ipuwer Papyrus have probably survived?

Sheshbazzar · 04-11-2011, 11:37 PM

The Torah is rife with plagiarism. And has less credibility than The National Enquirer.

Toto · 04-12-2011, 12:41 AM

search the archives for Ipuwer - that papyrus has been discussed. It does not support the case for historicity.

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04-11-2011, 12:42 PM	#2
hjalti Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Iceland Posts: 761	Riiiight.

04-11-2011, 12:51 PM	#3
Tom Sawyer Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto, eh Posts: 42,293	Also, if you translate those words in other ways, the Bible gives you a nice recipe for shepard's pie.

04-11-2011, 08:48 PM	#7
Eldarion Lathria Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlantis Posts: 2,449	It also contains the following. "The persons, places and events mentioned herein are fictional, and have no connection with real events, or real persons, living or dead." Eldarion Lathria

04-11-2011, 10:45 PM	#8
Johnny Skeptic Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 19,796	Also from the website: "How could plagues described in an Egyptian papyrus be so similar to those found in the Bible? In the early 1800s, a papyrus was found in Egypt called The Admonitions of an Egyptian. It is now in the Leiden Museum in Holland. An Egyptian named Ipuwer wrote it at the end of the Middle Kingdom, around 1650 B.C.E.; scribes copied it in the 19th Dynasty, in the 1200s B.C.E. Below are some of the amazingly similar plagues described in both the Ipuwer papyrus and the Bible. (The biblical plagues befell the Egyptians at the time of Moses and the Exodus, which has been dated sometime between 1570 to 1290 B.C.E.)" Isn't it plausible or probable that the Ipuwer papyrus is fiction, and some Hebrews writers used it as a source? If the Ten Plagues occurred, news of such spectacular, sometimes nationwide events would have quickly spread all over the Middle East and beyond, and would have endured by word of mouth for many centuries. Wouldn't at least some records other than the Bible and the Ipuwer Papyrus have probably survived?

04-11-2011, 11:37 PM	#9
Sheshbazzar Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: On the path of knowledge Posts: 8,889	The Torah is rife with plagiarism. And has less credibility than The National Enquirer.

04-12-2011, 12:41 AM	#10
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	search the archives for Ipuwer - that papyrus has been discussed. It does not support the case for historicity.

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