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Old 01-24-2008, 10:18 AM   #11
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Thank you people -- the more comments the better, actually.

I'm just as cheapskate as anyone else; but once the costs get covered and sales dry up, I'd see if I could get the thing online somehow.
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just as a side question, are the two gospel lineages for jesus one of joseph's and one of mary's ancesters?
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just as a side question, are the two gospel lineages for jesus one of joseph's and one of mary's ancesters?
No. Matthew 1:15-6 "and Eli'ud the father of Elea'zar, and Elea'zar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ." So Joseph is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3:23 "Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli," Or maybe he's the son of Heli.
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1. Is this a work that you would be interested in reading, and would buy?
Yes and no. I'm somewhat interested in it, but I doubt that I'd buy it right away.

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2. What sort of money would you be prepared to pay for a copy?
Hard to say. Depends on the next two questions.

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3. Would you want the Greek and Syriac as well as the English?
Ideally, yes.

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4. Would you want a detailed commentary or not?
This isn't necessary. I would like an apparatus criticus if there are variants in the text (I don't know anything about the transmission of this text).

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There is a Greek version of these two texts. It's available on the TLG.
The work is actually lost. One last handwritten copy still existed in Sicily in the 16th century, but then vanished. Originally it consisted of two books to Stephanus, and one to Marinus.

What we have is an abbreviated version, found in a manuscript, plus long quotations from the catena-commentary on Luke by Nicetas. All the quotations from Ad Stephanum seem to come from the 'questions' raised in the abbreviated version; however this is not true for the 'questions' from Ad Marinum, suggesting that the abbreviated version itself is incomplete.

In addition, the original work was translated in Syriac, but is lost in that language too. However west Syriac writers quote from it, and more chunks exist in another Syriac catena.

Finally there may be more Greek fragments that didn't make it into Migne, and Ambrose of Milan quotes from it in Latin in some work on Luke.

A new edition of the abbreviated version will appear from Sources Chretiennes in the next year or two. Claudio Zamagni, who edited it, is going to have a look at our translation.

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just as a side question, are the two gospel lineages for jesus one of joseph's and one of mary's ancesters?
No. Matthew 1:15-6 "and Eli'ud the father of Elea'zar, and Elea'zar the father of Matthan, and Matthan the father of Jacob, and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ." So Joseph is the son of Jacob.
Luke 3:23 "Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli," Or maybe he's the son of Heli.
There are indeed 16 questions in the work relating to the genealogies. So I hope you can see why I feel that it is a work that might be of wide interest.

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Dear Roger,
I would like to see that published in English.
I would be willing to send you a check for $25.00 this week towards purchasing a copy whenever you get it done.

PM me your addresss and I will mail the check.
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Dear Stuart,

That is extremely kind of you, but not necessary. I have already put aside enough money to cover the cost of translation and printing, and I can afford to lose the lot if need be -- this is an experiment. But of course that would ensure that I can't commission more translations -- I can't afford to *keep* losing that sum of money repeatedly. So I'm trying to find out who would buy it and at what price, with a view to making the test volume a success.

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What you are proposing is essentially self-publication (sometimes called "vanity press" publication, but usually when associated with one's own unique work unless you want to take credit as an editor). There are a number of such publications out there, mainly because mainstream publishers are interested in volume only (i.e., unless they can sell hundreds of thousands of copies they won't even give you the time of day) and academic publishers like Brill sell principally to university research libraries for hundreds of dollars a pop and have no interest in works that won't appeal to this market. However, I have noticed that Oxford Univ Press has published works that do not fit neatly into these two categories as long as they deal with the "classics" (which can include something as obscure as selected excerps from Epiphanius' _Panarion_ by Philip Amidon).

See if you can identify some authors who went this route, and try to contact them to find out what they did to prepare and if they can offer advice.

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Dear Stuart,

That is extremely kind of you, but not necessary. I have already put aside enough money to cover the cost of translation and printing, and I can afford to lose the lot if need be -- this is an experiment. But of course that would ensure that I can't commission more translations -- I can't afford to *keep* losing that sum of money repeatedly. So I'm trying to find out who would buy it and at what price, with a view to making the test volume a success.

All the best,

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Dear Stuart,

That is extremely kind of you, but not necessary. I have already put aside enough money to cover the cost of translation and printing, and I can afford to lose the lot if need be -- this is an experiment. But of course that would ensure that I can't commission more translations -- I can't afford to *keep* losing that sum of money repeatedly. So I'm trying to find out who would buy it and at what price, with a view to making the test volume a success.

All the best,

Roger Pearse
I'll pay as much as $40.00 for the book when you get it done.
No need to answer back...just keep me in mind.
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