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Headache · 08-26-2007, 12:20 PM

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2. In its circulation
3. In its translation

Then you must absolutely love Chairman Maos little red book! It's circulated in billions and translated to almost every language on Earth, so it must be inerrant and completely true!

All hail Chairman Mao, kneel down and say your prayers to the great leader, Mao and his little red book!

Alethias · 08-26-2007, 12:24 PM

I think you're an idolator, Bible John. You elevate the book above the god you purport to serve.

I thought none but the god you worship was infallible. If that is the case, calling the bible you actually worship 'infallible' and 'inerrant' either an act of idolatry, or it is a misrepresentation of what you actually believe in order to achieve a specific end.

I see no other reasonable conclusions, Bible John. I think you are either a liar or an idolator. By IIDB's rules I can't call you a liar, so I'm going to call you an idolator, since you worship the bible instead of the god the bible purports to be about.

Heck, even your username supports the fact that you are a
BIBLE WORSHIPPING IDOLATOR!

Vicious Love · 08-26-2007, 12:25 PM

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BIBLE WORSHIPPING IDOLATOR!

And probably a terrist, too.

burning flames · 08-26-2007, 12:39 PM

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is one of the defining parameters of the devil that he always fails?

well?

the implications of the scenario described are staggering.

this whole myth world of the bible makes less and less sense every day.

ELECTROGOD · 08-26-2007, 01:25 PM

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The Bible is Inerrant

No it's not:

http://www.members.aol.com/ckbloomfld

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...istencies.html

http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...gan/intro.html

http://www.atheists.org/christianity...adictions.html

_Naturalist_ · 08-26-2007, 02:23 PM

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Reasons why the Bible is a unique book

Uniqueness is not the same as it being inerrant.

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1. In its Continuity

Explain.

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2. In its circulation
3. In its translation
4. In its survival
5. In its Teachings
6. In its influence on civilization

These things have nothing to do with whether the Bible is inerrant or not.

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The Bible has survived throughout time, long before computers and the printing press. The Bible has been copied many times, and even after all these times the Bible still is the Word of God that is infallible and inerrant.

And that's your argument? The Bible is inerrant, you say. That's supposed to convince anyone? Wouldn't you want any sort of evidence? After centuries of studying the universe, we now know it doesn't add up with the myths in the Bible, for example the Genesis.

Also, we now understand that to take things on faith alone, for example the existence of any god, is ridiculous. Otherwise we could believe anything as long as we have no reason to do so.

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Also if Johnny would read history he would see that MANY MANY attempts have been made to destroy the Bible, but God allowed his holy word to survive.

No, people did. And even if it's true what you say, it just shows that your god valued his words higher, since he protected this book but killed people.

burning flames · 08-26-2007, 03:17 PM

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is one of the defining parameters of the devil that he always fails?

well?

the implications of the scenario described are staggering.

this whole myth world of the bible makes less and less sense every day.

in what ways?

well the devil as a plausible character doesnt make sense. why would he try, doomed to fail? Why doesnt he seek gods forgiveness?

Is every soul lost to hell a failure of god and a victory of the devil?

How then, could ANY souls be lost to hell! The universalists must be right after all! everyone is saved!

if the devil always fails, we have nothing to worry about. if he doesnt always fail, why is god letting him mess with us to the point of dooming us to hell?

in any case

HOW CAN IT BE THAT THE MASTER PLAN OF ALL TIME AND EXISTENCE INCLUDES ETERNAL SUFFERING AND TORMENT?

Baalazel · 08-26-2007, 03:48 PM

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Johnny Skeptic has challenged me a number of times on this topic and so I will start to defend it.

Forgive me for my late start Johnny.

Josh McDowell, The New Evidence that demands a verdict, pp.4-18

Reasons why the Bible is a unique book

1. In its Continuity
2. In its circulation
3. In its translation
4. In its survival
5. In its Teachings
6. In its influence on civilization

The Bible has survived throughout time, long before computers and the printing press. The Bible has been copied many times, and even after all these times the Bible still is the Word of God that is infallible and inerrant.

If Johnny Skeptic would do some research he would discover that OTHER ancient writings of the same time period do not have as much manuscript evidence to support them than the Bible does.

Also if Johnny would do some research on Biblical scholar John Lea and read this book called The Greatest Book in the World he would see far more support for the scriptures than that of Shakespeare's works.

Also if Johnny would read history he would see that MANY MANY attempts have been made to destroy the Bible, but God allowed his holy word to survive.

The devil and his servants have not given up on their attempts to destroy the word of God, and even after so many attempts to destroy it failed, today the devil is using his own Al-Qaeda whom have invaded the church to destroy the word of God. Many of these Al-Qaeda do not teach the Bible, and so the flock in these churches, cannot discern, since they do not read the word.

The devil will once again fail.

I look forward to your reply Johnny.

John

This is not even a beginning. To leave it to Josh McDowell is to admit to having no expertise on the subject at all.

Baal

Rhaedas · 08-26-2007, 04:14 PM

Is that argument ad non-authority?

Hedshaker · 08-26-2007, 04:22 PM

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is one of the defining parameters of the devil that he always fails?

He's a bit like the Borg, isn't he? If resistance is so futile, how come they always get their butts kicked across the universe in the end :huh:

It's just bad fiction to let the bad guys win....

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08-26-2007, 12:24 PM	#12
Alethias Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 7,198	I think you're an idolator, Bible John. You elevate the book above the god you purport to serve. I thought none but the god you worship was infallible. If that is the case, calling the bible you actually worship 'infallible' and 'inerrant' either an act of idolatry, or it is a misrepresentation of what you actually believe in order to achieve a specific end. I see no other reasonable conclusions, Bible John. I think you are either a liar or an idolator. By IIDB's rules I can't call you a liar, so I'm going to call you an idolator, since you worship the bible instead of the god the bible purports to be about. Heck, even your username supports the fact that you are a BIBLE WORSHIPPING IDOLATOR!

08-26-2007, 04:14 PM	#19
Rhaedas Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,440	Is that argument ad non-authority?

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