archaeologist

So? One refuted theory doesn't discredit the man. That would be like dismissing all of Hawkins for his failed string theory.

Why don't you wait till i answer the question before doing the personal attacks. Dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible Gen. 1:24 but then on a more specific note, neither are the tasmanian devils, komodo dragons, the horse fly and many other animals yet they co-exist with man.

So your argument is too weak to even address.

There is your mistake or many YEC'rs mistake. Dinosaurs were included in the ark and were alive post flood.

Sur I have evidence but the secular world attributes that to evolution, ice ages, asteroids and so on. If people do not accept the evidence but credited some other source, then what is left...just an argument for placement of the evidence.

Because other scholars have. I do not need to do redundent work.

I don't take your word for it. Repost the working link. I have ignored most of you rpost as they are just frivolous questions and the tone of your post tells me you are not going to accept any answer I provide.

save for the following:

Easy, it is highly manipulated, easy to dismiss another person's work when you disagree withit., rarely is it objective, most peer review people do not have th eitme to replicate the experiments or read the work thoroughly.

Creationists who do so are following secular man's ways not God's thus they are now doing things they should not.

that article answers your question.

Yet there are no 5,000 year old trees in existence, last i heard the Joshua tree was the oldest one and it did not reach back that far.


here is one but it fails as they only point to the root system not tree rings and the picture clearly shows it does not have 5,000 rings:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...dest-tree.html

So much for the tree ring idea.

Scientists can't even deciopher the cave art in the french caves, what make syou think they could decipher a pictograph on dinosaur bones?

problem is, there is no puzzle. God spoke, it was. very simple.

All based upon conjecture, assumption and not real observation and constructed by men who are subject to bribes, pressure, fame, plus sin and their own errancy. plus so much more.

There is a lot you do not know about this situation and you forget that evolutionsits are very much like muslims (when they have their prophet drawn as a cartoon character). {I knew about the man who faced retribution from fellow evolutionists for printing an article they didn't like inis magazine long before the documentery exposed came out}

MarkA

Why is it so difficult for you to answer a very simple question?

How can pottery be destroyed by a flood?

Please cite one, just one, example of a dinosaur bone enscribed with human markings. If dinosaurs lived millions of years before humans did then how could human produced writing or incisions be seen on such bones. Not writing, just dots or random incisions will do.

You must provide evidence not just assertions. If your argument is faith alone and ignore evidence then please say so directly.

MarkA

I forgot to add in the above post: How did these ancient mariners that Hapgood said existed miss an entire continent?

All these ideas of Atlantis or creationist nonsense always omit any evidence from Australia. Mainly that these advanced civilizations that commanded the sea (or even the sky!) managed to miss a whole bloody continent!!

Rooster

I will use the Bible also, in that case. Please point out anywhere you disagree with what I've done, and explain why.

Speaking very roughly, this means at least around 5000 species of mammal, 9000 species of bird, 9000 species of reptile, about 1000 known species of dinosaur and let's say 1,000,000 species of insect.

Plants aren't mentioned, neither are fish. Not quite sure how the saltwater creatures would have fared in a freshwater flood. I am similarly unsure if or how plants would survive being submerged for 40 days and nights. Or 150 days, depending on which part of Genesis we're reading. Since I'm not a biologist, we'll skip past those issues.

So we have 2,000,000 insects and 50,000 other creatures that have all come to Noah. Ignoring butterflies and slow, shitty insects like that, I'm willing to accept them zipping onto the ark in no time at all. Let's say a pair every half second. That gives us 139 hours, which is almost 6 days, just for the insects. The seven day deadline is going to be tight, I feel. No problem if we can load the last 50,000 animals at an average rate of 3.5 seconds for every pair.

What do you think, archaeologist? Do you think that's reasonable?

Let's grant that all of them made it on the boat on time.

I'm going to convert to metric because I'm a Brit. I hope you don't object. There is no mention of nautical terms like keel or rudder, so I'm going to just treat it like a big box. I'm sure you realise that is doing Genesis an incredible favour.

This gives a total possible ark volume of around 43,000 cubic metres. To further give Genesis the home advantage, let's assume that Noah can use 100% of that for storing animals. Again, I'm sure you realise that is doing Genesis another huge favour.

Assuming the insects only take up 1cm^3 on average, we can fit all of those in a box with pretty much our entire volume leftover. That leaves us all of our other creatures.

I'm sure I am not the only one here who would be very interested in reading the assumptions behind a calculation that allows 50,000 mammals, birds, reptiles and dinosaurs (along with the necessary food) into a volume of 43,000 m^3.

As far as I see it, there are a two options.

One is that you have a more appropriate calculation, which I'm sure everyone would be interested in reading. Perhaps your definition of 'kind' doesn't line up with species, meaning less animals on board. In which case you must believe in very rapid "macro-evolution" and speciation, since you require a great deal of it to get the number of species we have today. Your definition of kind would likely be helpful, too.

The other option is magic.

Please state which option you side with.

spin

Given my calculation earlier that the flood happened lest than 4400 years ago, I find it hard to understand that the first pyramid could have been built over two hundred years earlier. Didn't the Egyptians know that there was a flood which wiped them out? They seem to think that they had a continuous reign from long before Djoser circa 2600BCE straight through the flood era and on to the first intermediate period.


spin

James Brown

Well, this has been interesting, but I think we're at an impasse.

When asked when the flood occurred, Arch says it's impossible to know, but it doesn't matter because it would be impossible to figure out.

If a scientific instrument demonstrates an old earth, Arch says that scientists don't know how to use the instrument correctly, and that they were bribed to change the results.

When asked for evidence that the flood occurred, Arch replies that we first need to provide evidence that the flood didn't occur. Any actual evidence of a non-deluged Earth is dismissed on the grounds that it was prepared by sinful scientists. Finally, Arch proves that Noah exercised his pair of Seismosauruses thrice daily on the ark because Genesis 1 says that God created 'animals.' (Neat trick, as the Seismosaurus alone would have occupied one-third of the entire ark.)

Ultimately, it all comes down to, "If it's in my Bible then it must be true; and if it isn't in my Bible then it can't be true."

I'll keep reading, but I'll let others have their say.

Good luck, Arch. People like you are one in a million.

Edit to add: "Problems with a Global Flood."

Deus Ex

Sadly, people like Arch aren't one in a million where I come from; they are a dime-a-dozen. You can't throw a dead cat without hitting a fundy church here in Alabama.

funinspace

As you can see, the membership in the Flat Earth Society hasn't quite died out...

funinspace

We can read down into the very fabric of our bodies (DNA) and send probes to Mars; but we can't correctly read tree rings (which have been correlated back thru 10k years of climate history) nor ice core samples (which geologists have reviewed going back over 700,000 years). Yeah, that makes allot of sense...NOT.

But I"m sure you will continue to ignore the obvious facts that don't agree with your dogma. As Christians of old, you will cling to failed understandings of your holy texts, like the ones who thought the earth was flat because the Bible said so; like the ones who thought the earth was the center of the universe because the Bible said so; like the ones who thought lightening were of demons because the Bible said so....

PD Dendochronology doesn't need a singular 10,000 year old tree. As with many other earth sciences, one uses over lapping records to provide the continuum.

ecco

Also From: http://www.solstice.us/russell/intel...l_rubbish.html
When, like the prophetess, archaeologist says...

"Are you all entirely persuaded by my unsupported, nonsensical claims that The Flood occurred?"

He hopes we will respond like the prophetess' faithful "and all go home much edified"

I may be wrong, but I don't see that happening.