lee_merrill

Hi everyone,

I would say my God is more effective, for he has a better motive, and more power than could be claimed for the Greek gods, with all their squabbles amongst themselves.

"What does it take to be normal again, after having your humanity stripped away by the Nazis?"

"What is abnormal is that I am normal," he says. "That I survived the Holocaust and went on to love beautiful girls, to talk, to write, to have toast and tea and live my life—that is what is abnormal."

"Why didn't you go insane?"

"To this day," he says, "that is a mystery to me."

"You and the others in the camp were forced to march by three people who were hanged. And somebody behind you whispered, 'Where is God?'"

"A voice in me said, 'God is there.'"

"Where are you and God with each other these days?"

"We still have a few problems! But even in the camps, I never divorced God. After the war, I went on praying to God. I was angry. I protested. I'm still protesting—and occasionally, I'm still angry. But it's not because of the past, but the present. When I see victims of a tragedy—and especially children—I say to God, 'Don't tell me that you have nothing to do with this. You are everywhere—you are God.'"

- Elie Wiesel

No, I am saying the Hutus and Tutsis were rebelling, not obeying God.

Most people do not consider non-intervention to be part of supernatural actions, though, I am insisting on positive evidence, not an absence of intervention, to know if a voice was God's command.

Again, this is writing scripts, historical fiction (actually, not that even), and asking me to defend them.

Because there would be no evidence here that God really spoke to you.

I think the burden of proof is on the person who claims God spoke to them, though, it is real if there is some confirmation, and in the Bible, God is always ready to give that confirmation.

Exodus 4:1-3 Moses answered, "What if they do not believe me or listen to me and say, 'The Lord did not appear to you'?" Then the Lord said to him, "What is that in your hand?" "A staff," he replied. The Lord said, "Throw it on the ground." Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it.

Credulity is actually rebuked, and tests are also given so people can tell if a spirit is from God.

The point, though, was that it is possible to phrase questions so that both a reply of yes and a reply of no will not represent your position.

Well yes, if your view is true, my view is false. So let's discuss this further...

Regards,
Lee

Gamut

It's really hard to discuss anything when you absolutely refuse to answer direct, simple questions and they need to be repeated three or four times and you still don't give an answer.

It's not as if the questions are difficult to understand, an imbecile could understand them and give an answer.

Since I don't think you are an imbecile :huh: I can't figure out why you have dodged nearly every question asked you in this thread.

You continue stating various opinions while ignoring the questions. I find this amature, rude and dishonest.

Anat

Lee, what evidence is there that God spoke to Abraham, other than that somebody wrote it in a book? For example, author AB Yehoshua thinks Abraham staged the whole thing in order to scare Isaac into believing in his deity. How would you tell the difference? Abraham's evidence that God spoke to him is equal to the evidence the Texan lady had. The only difference was that in one case God didn't want his order to be followed through, while in the other he did.

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Your God in your own book has behaved in just as arbitrary, petty, and irrationally a manner as any Greek deity.

Biff the unclean

Well, since you just brought up the holocaust, I should point out to you that you are using exactly the same tactics that the holocaust denyers use.
The questions are phrased so that yes or no answers incoprorate reality. Your position is an evasion, which ignores the facts of the case.
This thread mirrors the holocaust denial point for point.
"If there was no holocaust what are these photos of mass graves/ what is this story in the Book of Joshua?"
" Denyer:The photos don't depict what you interpert them as depicting. Millions of people didn't really die in the gas chambers. Hitler was a great guy."
"Denyer: The bible doesn't say what you interpert it as saying. Thousands of people didn't really die at the edge of the sword. God is agreat."

John A. Broussard

God spoke to me last night in a dream. Well, I think god did. I'm not absolutely sure, but it would be nice to know for sure.

Please let me know what those tests are so that I can check to see if it really was god, or just an undigested piece of cheese.

Desperately waiting for an answer.

badger3k

Hi Lee, but, as I pointed out - it WAS intervention. God PREVENTED anyone from interfering. He made sure that no one stopped here. Sure sounds like divine intervention to me.

So, then you believe that Abraham and Joshua are mythical stories?

But if I wrote it down and said that God told me to commit genocide? That would make it true then? What are your standards of truth, and why do they change for a text written (probably) close to 3000 years ago? Why not use the same standard? Wouldn't that be honest?

Wait a minute, you say it is bad to be credulous, yet you believe that someone should prove it to you? Funny, maybe they should rebuke you! Are you claiming that you know every possible sign that your God could give - even if he didn't want you to see it? I won't even get into the circular reasoning I can see you have with your book.

Wait a minute again - I was credulous for years, and never once was rebuked. What went wrong?

badger3k

Now that you point that out, the similarities are frightening.

Therese

so hang on? Am i getting this straight? god causes pain, so he can bear it, so we can be grateful? hmmmmmm.

so all those men women and children didn't actually feel any pain as they were being butchered? God just did it so we would see how noble he is? Wow! what an awesome god.

John A. Broussard

Just think what it would have been like if it/she/he were an evil god.