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Old 11-14-2006, 03:03 PM   #71
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In a thread at the GRD Forum, rhutchin said:

It will be fun seeing rhutchin try to prove that assertion, especially regarding tangible miracles.
What's your view on this miracle: http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping360.htm

Forget the "rehearsed" views that go with a debating mentality, rather let me know your genuine view from your heart. I include in "rehearsed views" the cop-out that we need an amputee healing for it to be classed as truly miraculous. I responded on your other thread that God possibly leaves just enough doubt in a miracle to weed out those that simply don't want to believe. Those people are not any use whatsoever in finding out whether miracles truly happen and their one-liners and frivolity are just mosquitoes to be swatted.
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:17 PM   #72
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As an agnostic, I am willing to follow the evidence whevever it leads.
If you were truly an agnostic, you would not begin from the angle that God is automatically the cause and the blame and the evil for the bad things you see in this world. Your tone is at first accusatory when it should be more balanced. I tend to believe you are more of a debator enjoying your sport, rather than having much interest in the truth.

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Do you see anything miraculous about a baby being born with serious birth defects, suffering for a few days, and dying? If so, how did the miracles of the baby's birth, suffering, and death help the baby?
First you have to believe in God before you can borrow altruistic values from Christianity. To an atheist, there shouldn't be anything good or bad in a baby suffering and dying. It is just "harsh reality" associated with life on this planet, survival of the fittest etc. If you can't yet bring yourself to believe in God, then stop stealing God's values to suit your cause.

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I am not aware of any skeptic who is opposed to any being healing sick people, or giving amputees new arms and legs. Are you?
Pure frivolity.
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:29 PM   #73
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I do hope Johnny Skeptic is not hiding behind an agnostic title while he simply enjoys arguing and being an atheist. That would be quite a bad thing.

After reading this whole thread, I can't help believing my hunch is right.

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But Rev. Muse, you already know that I am an agnostic, so I do not rule out a reasonable possibility that an intelligent being created the universe. I do not marvel at the many atrocities that God has committed against mankind, most of all that he refuses to reveal himself to people who would accept him if they knew that he (supposedly) exists.
There is no way that any self-respecting agnostic can allow such accusatory comments to spew from his mouth. Note the disclaimer in the first sentence: "But Rev Muse, you already know that I am an agnostic". Johnny, Johnny, Johnny...tut tut.
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:30 PM   #74
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What's your view on this miracle: http://www.visionsofjesuschrist.com/weeping360.htm
Most likely a load of crap. Why should I believe it?
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:31 PM   #75
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There is no way that any self-respecting agnostic can allow such accusatory comments to spew from his mouth.
He is talking about the God described by the Bible and what the Bible describes that God doing.
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Old 11-15-2006, 02:22 PM   #76
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I do hope Johnny Skeptic is not hiding behind an agnostic title while he simply enjoys arguing and being an atheist. That would be quite a bad thing.

After reading this whole thread, I can't help believing my hunch is right.
Your hunch is wrong. I am an agnostic. However, whether I am an atheist or an agnostic does not matter for purposes of this thread. Do you have any evidence that God performs tangible miracles today?
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Old 11-15-2006, 03:40 PM   #77
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Your hunch is wrong. I am an agnostic. However, whether I am an atheist or an agnostic does not matter for purposes of this thread. Do you have any evidence that God performs tangible miracles today?
Don't bother, Johnny- el-pepo has been banninated.
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