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WishboneDawn · 11-28-2006, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Malachi151

So how else do you interpret this then?
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It's startling, isn't it? Sexism in the 1st century. Who would have ever dared thought there was sexism back then? And coming from Paul...What more liberated and gender issue concious man ever walked the earth?

sharon45 · 11-28-2006, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by douglas

Just because I think Jesus was full of himself a tad doesn't mean I hate the guy. For me, it just makes him that much more human and real. Mark paints a very human picture of Jesus - he laughs, cries, gets pissed off, etc. And in Luke 14, Jesus even tells a joke:

Granted, not much of a knee-slapper, but he's trying to make light of an awkward situation. By the time John's gosple gets a hold of Jesus, all manner of humanness is taken out of him. Yuck!

I think that the NT is one of the funniest books I have ever read and the fact that it is also so tauted as such a serious work just even adds to the dark humor.

Beyond that is thoroughly disgusting.

sharon45 · 11-28-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

Have any of you worked with a genius? Look at Steve Jobs, for example. By all accounts, he can be a horrible tyrant. But everyone who has a cheap, easy-to-use computer owes him a deep debt of gratitude. Yet, what is Steve Jobs compared to Christ? Christ constructed our understanding of ourselves in an indelible way. And how did he do that? By showing us himself. All of himself.

I sure wouldn't call steve jobs a genius. The computer was a process that started hundreds of years before him and it obviously continues.

Jesus by the same token used wisdom that was created hundreds of years before him, but also created much of his own that were mainly either outright lies, ill-considered, or fallacies.

Both people have made their lives a sure success really only on sheer popularity and not realize it. Why is this suppose to be humble?

sharon45 · 11-28-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by No Robots

Let me put this in terms that even you might be able to understand: for 2,000 years our entire social fabric has been constructed around this single individual. And, as we know, our understanding of ourselves is by and large derived from the social fabric that surrounds us.

Our? Maybe yours. Christianity is a massive religion, but it doesn't represent the world.

Also there isn't really a single version of jesus.

RPS · 11-28-2006, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WishboneDawn

It's startling, isn't it? Sexism in the 1st century. Who would have ever dared thought there was sexism back then? And coming from Paul...What more liberated and gender issue concious man ever walked the earth?

Not to mention that Christianity's early growth came largely because it treated women so much better than the dominant culture. See here, for example.

Biff the unclean · 11-28-2006, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blastula

Well played No Robots.

Bringing up a ridiculously frivolous lawsuit, that was dismissed, while boasting about Jesus who was convicted of a capital offence and executed, is hardly “well played.”

RPS · 11-28-2006, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Biff the unclean

Bringing up a ridiculously frivolous lawsuit, that was dismissed, while boasting about Jesus who was convicted of a capital offence and executed, is hardly “well played.”

If press reports are accurate (a major assumption, I grant), this statement is highly deceptive because

the case was settled on undisclosed terms, so we can't know if the case was frivolous (settled for nuisance value) or not;
the quotes I read from Dr. Patterson were (intentionally?) ambiguous as to what the plaintiff women were or were not asked to do; and
the initial dismissal was procedural rather than substantive, with the ultimate dismissal due to the settlement, which is typical for every settled case, frivolous or otherwise.

Biff the unclean · 11-28-2006, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RPS

If press reports are accurate (a major assumption, I grant), this statement is highly deceptive

Oh so I'm a liar now? Ad hom anyone?

No Robots · 11-28-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Biff the unclean

Oh so I'm a liar now? Ad hom anyone?

Just one question, Biff: Have you ever been asked to show your pink bits? (You can pmail me your answer.)

EarlOfLade · 11-28-2006, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChristMyth

Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ would have been a better movie if it had included that bit of dialog:

Priest: So,ahhh, how much for you to give up Jesus?
Judas: Thirty pieces of silver.
Priest: Thirty? Rather cheap don't you think.
Judas: Maybe, but the guy is an asshole. I didn't think you go higher than
that.

Christmyth

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

Classic!

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