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Jesus has failed to be a messiah.


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Johnny Skeptic

I was partly referring to Pharaoh, but God's murder of Egyptian babies is only a drop in the bucket compared with the millions of people who God has killed.
With parasites alone, God has killed more people than all of the wars in history, and yet you said that my claim is an outrageous lie. Is it an outrageous lie that God created parasites, and that he created Hurricane Katrina and sent it to New Orleans, and that he causes animals to kill each other.

Besides on what basis do you decide what is moral and what is not moral?

What proof do you have that Abraham addressed this very issue, and that he was speaking for God and not for himself? I know, since you know that you cannot prove that, you will say that the Partition of Palestine is a fulfillment of prophecy, right? If so, why did you bring up Abraham instead of the Partition of Palestine? If you end up playing bait and switch regarding the Partition of Palestine and mention Daniel, I will ask to do defend that claim, and since you know that you do not have confidence in that claim, you will continue to go in circles and never stop long enough to actually try to verify a particular prophecy without playing bait and switch. Isn't that right? Perhaps sometimes during this millennia you will be willing to stick to debating one prophecy without playing bait and switch. You will never get anywhere by playing bait switch since now that the cat is out of the bag, skeptics are going to call your hand every time you bring up a particular prophecy.

Sheshonq

No need to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism


1. I understood your point.

2. Your point is not necessarily correct - it depends upon the kind and type of Hinduism.

3. My overarching point is still valid.

arnoldo

So you admit Jesus was a real historical person.. . Your seem to be able to judge history for whatever conclusions fits your argument. Are you sure Jesus wasn't just a fictional character invented by Paul?

Sheshonq

Unlikely. You've been told multiple times that claimants have the burden of proof, not the audience. Yet you continue to confuse that point. You also have been told the steps you need to take, to prove your claim about Israel and fulfilled prophecy. Yet to date, you haven't lifted a finger to support your position.

Willing to learn? Not at all. You're only willing to preach.

1. What does evolution and the big bang have to do with your claims? Answer: zero. Just another attempt at diversion by you.

2. No faith involved for either big bang or evolution.

3. Incidentally, if you think that studying history and archaeology is too hard, wait till you get to biology, geology, and cosmology.

Wrong.

1. No, you're looking forward to muddying the waters and hoping nobody remembers that you have made a whole boatload of claims that haven't been supported. I don't blame you - if I had been as stupid as you've been, I think I'd try my best to change the topic also.

2. You're the one with the claims. Let's see your proof.

Sheshonq

Nope. You made the first claim. You're also the first one with any burden of proof.

Sheshonq

Who cares? It has nothing to do with your claim about Israel and fulfilled prophecy.

Do you have ADD or something?

Every attempt to keep you focused on topic results in you tossing out another non-relevant inflammatory comment. To an unbiased observer, it certainly looks like you realize you are cornered with no argument, and are trying to change the subject.

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I am impressed... impressed that you couldn't see the incoherence of your own logic as you were stitching it together. You introduce the notion of a "restored Israel" into the fray from nowhere in this particular part of the thread and expect the partitioners to adhere to it, rather than cope with the post-withdrawal Palestine? Obviously partition and withdrawal had the effect of founding the state of Israel. That it was, and is, not a "restored Israel" simply doesn't change the fact of the necessary emergence of the state of Israel from partition. The British didn't want it on their hands, but the Zionists did. The British had already dangled some form of independent state for them with the Balfour Declaration (which also guaranteed the stability and well-being of the Palestinian population). It was both the British and the UN intention to provide some sort of state resolution through the partition. Politics clearly made the state of Israel as a consequence of the partition.


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Sheshonq

Some Christians have converted to Islam. What is your message to those people?

Some Jews have converted to Buddhism. They're called JewBus. What is your message to those people?

Most importantly, why do you keep running and changing the subject?

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No admission. This is simply semantics. The gospel Jesus is obviously not a messiah.

You confuse literature with history.

I am agnostic on the issue, but I have proposed something similar as a functional analysis which is both a shorter explanation of the evidence and one that fits the evidence better. I don't think "fictional" is an appropriate term regarding Paul. Would you describe the people a schizophrenic lives with fictional? If you perceive the people you see in your dreams as independently real, is that fictional? (This is by means of explanation, and if you want to discuss it further. please start a new thread.)


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