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neilgodfrey · 07-06-2011, 10:48 PM

Richard Parvus has begun a series revising the case he made in his earlier book, "A New Look at the Letters of Ignatius of Antioch and other Apellean Writings". He argues

(1) that the seven Ignatian letters that comprise the ‘middle recension’ were originally letters written by Peregrinus c. 145 CE,

(2) that he was an Apellean Christian i.e. a follower of the ex-Marcionite Apelles, and

(3) that later, towards the end of the second century, the letters were modified by a protoCatholic Christian.

The first of his series is now posted at http://vridar.wordpress.com/2011/07/...us-of-antioch/

Vorkosigan · 07-06-2011, 11:04 PM

Thanks! His book is really good.

mountainman · 07-08-2011, 04:38 AM

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Originally Posted by neilgodfrey

Richard Parvus has begun a series revising the case he made in his earlier book, "A New Look at the Letters of Ignatius of Antioch and other Apellean Writings". He argues

(1) that the seven Ignatian letters that comprise the ‘middle recension’ were originally letters written by Peregrinus c. 145 CE,

(2) that he was an Apellean Christian i.e. a follower of the ex-Marcionite Apelles, and

(3) that later, towards the end of the second century, the letters were modified by a protoCatholic Christian.

The first of his series is now posted at http://vridar.wordpress.com/2011/07/...us-of-antioch/

Well at least this is going in the right direction.
Abandoning Eusebius is the right direction.

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I want to also point out that my theory should not be summarily dismissed on the grounds that a 145 CE date of composition for the original letters is clearly too late. Eusebius, in the fourth century, was the first to claim that the letters were written in the reign of Trajan (108 – 117 CE). A number of scholars have recognized that his dating is untrustworthy, and that the letters should be dated later. To give some recent examples: Allen Brent says “we can…, if we like, place Ignatius’ work towards the end of Hadrian’s reign (AD 135)” (p. 318 of his 2006 book “Ignatius of Antioch and the Second Sophistic.” And Paul Foster, in his “The Writings of the Apostolic Fathers” (2007), placed the composition of the Ignatians at “sometime during the second quarter of the second century, i.e. 125 – 50 CE, roughly corresponding to Hadrian’s reign or the earlier part of Antoninus Pius’ period in office” (p. 89). Timothy Barnes, in a 2008 article in ‘The Expository Times,’ concluded that the letters were written “probably in the 140s” (p. 128). And Richard Pervo, in his “The Making of Paul” published in 2010 says “A date of c. 130 – 140 is the preferable date for Ignatius” (p. 135). Earl Doherty too, in his “Jesus: Neither God Nor Man,” does not have a problem with dating the letters to the third decade of the second century. (p. 296). So I am hardly alone in abandoning the Eusebian date.

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neilgodfrey Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Darwin, Australia Posts: 874	The Letters Supposedly Written by Ignatius of Antioch Richard Parvus has begun a series revising the case he made in his earlier book, "A New Look at the Letters of Ignatius of Antioch and other Apellean Writings". He argues (1) that the seven Ignatian letters that comprise the ‘middle recension’ were originally letters written by Peregrinus c. 145 CE, (2) that he was an Apellean Christian i.e. a follower of the ex-Marcionite Apelles, and (3) that later, towards the end of the second century, the letters were modified by a protoCatholic Christian. The first of his series is now posted at http://vridar.wordpress.com/2011/07/...us-of-antioch/

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