Thomas II

You said that "their Nirvana is no good to you or me"...because "their mansions are different"...so "They have their own way to get there"...

By "THEY" I gather you mean other cultures, like Hindus for example...
But then the same would apply to them! Our cultural values would not be meaningful to them, and "our" heaven means nothing to them, because,as you say, we relate to different "mansions"...


Before you included Jews, but now you seem to say that ONLY CATHOLICS are able to "complete this race"...to go to Heaven...
How can you think that a place like Heaven would be ONLY for THE CATHOLICS?...It is such an EXCLUSIVE club!...It seems too exclusive!

So you would let them do what they have been doing with impunity?
The thievery I am talking about is not about money alone,but about opportunities...

Chili

For sure it is culture specific because eternal life belongs to the mythology
whence we draw temporal life and return to in eternal life where we, as a mythology, become the continuity of infinity.

This would make mythologies equal, more or or less, and responsible for the well being of the civilization and thus it is by the well being of the civilization that we can judge the worth (complexity) of its truth value . . . which should be on display just as the woman is the true richess and pride of man. Hence the Church is a She and we call her Mary = love your woman in the temporal sense.Jews have their own vehicle that it is much the same. I will never deny Jews the right to heaven because many are there ("for many are the children of the wife deserted" Gal. 4:27). It is not my tradition and is difficult for me to present in detail without knowing their tradition.

The big difference is that nothing they do as Jew clashes with my theory while everything the protestants do seems to be just backwards. So no, it is not exclusive but it sure warrants access to a key to get there.No, if they deserve to be punished they should be punished and you may take their money if you can but be prepared to pay when we evaluate eternal life in that context.

Opportunities? I don't follow.

Thomas II

Oh, I have no interest in their money nor am I involved in litigations against them, but it is obvious that a lot of children suffered grately because of what was done to them by those priests who by now have cost the Church more than 600 million dollars...and counting...

By OPPORTUNITIES I mean that IF those chidren would not have been sexually abused by those priests, they would not have needed to spend the rest of their lives recuperating from such terrible trauma...Time they could have used to enjoy happier and more fulfilling lives...
That sexual abuse ROBBED them of that time...It ROBBED them of their INNOCENCE, of their PEACE OF MIND, of their HAPPINESS, of their SENSE OF TRUST, of their SEXUAL HEALTH , and of whatever religious life they were having until then...
To rob the children of these things means to TAKE AWAY the OPPORTUNITY to enjoy those things like anyone else, free and clear...

Thomas II

Chili,
did you notice this thread was "returned" to the board after being "arrowed"
away for a short time?

Dude, THERE IS A GOD!!! :grin:

Chili

I never thought you were and never meant to imply that if I did. Sorry if you thought so.

Yes they suffered a lot and money is a good equalizer. In Canada they have a payment system wherein the government pays up to 90% and the lawyers get up to 80%, or thereabouts, if I remember correctly. The victims get some too, but each case must be investigated to avoid abuse. The large government share is based on precedent, as you can imagine, because punishment in the form of settlements is also measured on the ability to pay. OK now I understand. Yes, and the argument is that one of them might have become president of the USA. On the other hand, if a democracy is a system where losers are needed to make winners known it makes no difference who wins and who loses. I guess 'fair competition' is what it is all about and therefore I do not object. No problem.

The next question becomes, who pays when the money is all gone? and is there a slippery slope we can put this argument on? I mean mental abuse comes in all forms or will that be next.

Thomas II

I don't know what kind of arrangement they have, but whatever it is I don't think it will give those people back their happy childhood.


I don't understand. What are you saying about the President of the USA?



I don't understand your concept of democracy,Chili...


I don't know what will happen to the Roman Catholic Church, or how will people react to them in the future...
People are becoming more independent...
People don't "buy it" anymore the way they used to...
People are not afraid of the Church the way they used to...
People think for themselves and question the authority of the Church...
The sexual abuse charges were probably the last straw in a long history of abuse of power...This is nothing new...It is in the history books...

Will it disappear completely?...I don't think so.
They will probably scale down, sell some of the prime real estate they own, get rid of the pedophiles, go back to basics...All good things if you ask me!...
Maybe the next time Jesus checks for figs, he won't be dissapointed...
Maybe...We shall see...We shall see...

Chili

And a happy childhood is most important. It is the equivalent of Eden in the mind of a child before the journey of life begins that begs for a return-to later in life. So it is not a possession to cherish but a beginning that must be left behind.Nothing except that in the argument for compensation one of them may have become president.Free enterprise is system wherein the best man wins and the Bill of Rights
changes the playing field as it moves through the ages.That is quite obvious. Let me add that what goes up must come down but be reminded here that if the Church built the civilization it is the civilization that will fall. The Church will remain as truth will stand and I just present the argument.Do you think that pedophiles are gone when the money is gone? Good stuff.

You mean he'll find a protestant after all?

Thomas II

Pedophiles will be gone when they don't allow them anymore.

A protestant fig? :grin:

You mean one who dislikes the selling of indulgences,a lutheran fig?

Well...Why not?...As long as it's a fig...I don't think Jesus was looking for a particular fig...He was just looking for A fig...You are the one who sujested that it HAD to be a CATHOLIC fig...Jesus on the other hand said that many mansions was acceptable...

Chili

Did they ever allow them? No. Will they ever be gone? No . . . which does not suggest that we should look the other way. You right, the fruit is set during the dark age before the mythology can bud and bloom. As for them (protestants to be sure), they have no tree, just dark ages. He was a Catholic who's eyes were only half opened = immature figs cause diarrhea and he was full of it.Yes 'any fig' but only an Immaculate conception will bare fruit or there would be guile in Nathan who was the fruit of the vine.

To pick this green from the vine would be to wolfishly pillage the womb of its first fruit and that is a no-no in the eyes of God. But I can see him doing that with no oil in his lamp that must come from the same orchard he was was from to make Mary co-redemptrix and necessary in our devotion.

But that is much too Catholic for here but it does mean that our betrothal is real because Mary is the only one who knows where Bethlehem is.

ETA Oh and Thomas, indulgences are very effective in extracting the first fruit from the womb. It is a hands-off evangelization method much like a slap in the face given to induce 'labor pains.'

Thomas II

The pedophile priests will never be gone??...And why not?


Ok,so Luther ain't going to your heaven...Sorry Luther!:huh:

Ok,so Mary is IN. What about ordeining women as priests? Are you for or against that?

How come she is the ONLY ONE who knows were Bethlehem is, and why is that important?

So you like the concept of selling of Indulgences?
("Indulgences" being "pardons" for sins, granted by the Church, translating in less time in Purgatory for the deceased person's soul...)