sugarhitman

And millions of people willfully reject the Gospel....even though they have heard it.....and have bibles in their homes. And besides that the nations KNEW who God was when they rejected Him.

Amaleq13

As far as you have been able to establish, prophecies are disputable by anyone who approaches them rationally and compares them with the available evidence.

sugarhitman

So what is your evidence that the prophecies concerning Israel is false? What is your evidence that the dispute over the land of Israel and Jerusalem is false? Oh let me guess "self-fufilling" right? (I.E. which would mean you dont have any evidence....only rejection....which is not evidence my man.) :wave:

Toto

Not really. The modern nation of Greece is based on a romantic view of the ancient Greek nation, with about as much connection to that as modern Israel to ancient Israel. Greeks also scattered to other lands, and some of them have returned to the modern nation.

Johnny Skeptic

You are still a slow learner. I said:

Whatever you say, I will repost this post.

As I said, "No matter what you say, I will refuse to reply to what you say and divert attention back to my arguments. In other words, I have now adopted your and arnoldo's system of debating. Thanks for teaching me your and arnoldo's system of debating. I like it too, and thanks very much for helping build my confidence by being evasive."

Are you now aware that if both sides use your and arnoldo's system of debating, no actual discussions ever take place?

If you are not going to directly reply to all of the arguments that I used in my post #1108, you are wasting your time replying to any of my other posts since I will refuse to directly reply to your arguments and refer you back to that post.

Amaleq13

Nothing you haven't already read and ignored.

Johnny Skeptic

But all self-fulfilled prophecies are "true." If Abraham falsely assumed that God made a land promise to him and his descendants, that means that the Partition of Palestine was a self-fulfilled prophecy. It is well-known that all that is takes to self-fulfill a prophecy is the belief that it is true, and enough military power to make it come true. If the Koran said that Muslims will rebuild a temple in Mecca, all that it would take to self-fulfill that false prophecy would be that Muslims believe that the prophecy is true, and have enough military power to make it come true.

Regarding assessing a being's character, his motives are everything because they reveal what his character is. Why does God predict the future? If you do not have any reasonable answers to that questions, even if God can predict the future, since his motives for predicting the future would be questionable, that would be sufficient evidence for people to reject him. You are obviously not aware that reasonably proving that God can predict the future does not reasonably prove what his motives are, and that he has good character.

Unless you reply to all of my arguments in my post #1108, I will only reply to selected arguments that you make, such as your argument that I just replied to in this post. I will refuse to reply to most of your arguments, just as you refuse to reply to most of my arguments.

arnoldo

Don't you find it odd that persons will devote their precious time to attack a God they feel doesn't even exist? Have you ever come across any threads here or elswhere seriously debating if Zeus exists or is of good moral character?

Toto

This is getting a little off topic, and this thread is already too long.

But we do have one poster who supports the ancient Greek gods, and there is a movement in Greece to revive the Olympian religion.

But no one here who does not believe in God is attacking that God - the atheists are attacking the idea that this god exists, or that Christianity is a good thing, or that the Bible is true. These are ideas that have an effect on our current society.

arnoldo

Yes, I guess since God doesn't exist from the POV of atheists the attack is more against the belief in God.