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Old 06-29-2007, 09:07 AM   #11
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This historical news has some critical consequences, namely, the ideology of Zionism is made kaput by the fact that any promise of exclusive possession of the land of Canaan made by a god of Abraham promised to a Hindu god posing as a Hebrew man is so absurd as to be laughable.

Likewise, Muhammad's fiercely monotheistic Islam being based on the supposed act of righteousness of Abraham's willingness to sacrifice his son Ishmael is rendered ridiculous when Abraham is a polytheistic Hindu god.
True or not I seriously doubt this will stop the Israeli/Islamic conflict of the Middle East.

Consider this a hit and run.

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Should I have chopped it up in sound bite forms for your benefit?
Yes, it would make discussion easier if the thread focused on a single claim. I believe you received that suggestion the first time you posted.

Oh, and it is also a good suggestion for you to review the rules. Discussing moderator action within threads in this forum is prohibited as irrelevant. We have a forum for complaints.

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Old 06-29-2007, 11:51 AM   #13
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it is generally accepted that Abraham was not a real historical person, but rather was a myth, as was the exodus and Moses. There is a book that explains this in great detail, 1. The Bible Unearthed, by Finkelstein and Silberman. Similarly, it is widely accepted that the Hindu pantheon are not real, physical, entities either, but rather they belong to the world of myth.



This forum, needless to say, tries to occupy itself with the scholarly, non-religion driven, way of looking at things (or at least it sometimes tries to do so
How do these two statements conflict?

What are ‘scholars’? A group of schooled fish? Train up a child in the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it. Do scholars think mythically, and if not do they miss their mark, receiving and parting understanding? Are scholars of myth like researchers of science, just the facts please? Where would the facts come from? Would they come from a variety of sources materials? And how would they connect all these sources together? Would they connect them from the scholars before them? Iow’s are modern day scholars trying to prove the scholars before them, or are they trying to discern the mind of the writers, the material? Are scholars interesting in breaking new ground, or are they simply interested in forming new ground? If you are going to study the myth, for what purpose, to repeat history or change it, and for the good or the bad?

It would seem to me that one would have to think like a myth maker in order to understand a myth maker, in order to create anew. But then again, maybe some people are happy with the ways things are = no revelations, but which one, you own or the one in the big book.

God damn it! There's another one...............step on it before it multiplies?
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Default Gstaflue, your post is so arrogant and condescending

it looks like your in training for a job as dean of the school of bullshit artists.

I posted a topic for discussion. I posted relevant quotes from relevant sources. Discuss the topic. Not qualifications of the topic poster. No IIDB member has to be a scholar to post here, do they? Please stop asking for special rules for me in order to divert the discussion topic I posted.

The topic is whether or not Abraham is really Brahma. If any of you have evidence negating what I posted, please post it here so we all can see why the theory of ancient Hebrews either borrowing from or being themselves descendants of ancient Vedic worshipers in India cannot be true.
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I am at a loss for words. See ya'

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Since neither Brahma nor Abraham ever existed, the point is moot. As well ask if Hamlet were really mad.

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it looks like your in training for a job as dean of the school of bullshit artists.

I posted a topic for discussion. I posted relevant quotes from relevant sources. Discuss the topic. Not qualifications of the topic poster. No IIDB member has to be a scholar to post here, do they? Please stop asking for special rules for me in order to divert the discussion topic I posted.

The topic is whether or not Abraham is really Brahma. If any of you have evidence negating what I posted, please post it here so we all can see why the theory of ancient Hebrews either borrowing from or being themselves descendants of ancient Vedic worshipers in India cannot be true.
Did you somehow miss the part where he asked you if you think these people are REAL people? That is certainly a valid question.

Who is asking for special rules to apply to you? Did the doctors at your institution include "paranoid" in your diagnosis?

As with many other religious fundamentalists, you seem to avoid answering valid questions in your haste to continue your hysterical rant. And so, as I predicted, we find ourselves in ~Elsewhere~.
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Gstaflue, your post is so arrogant and condescending
Is it? To me, it looked like just him pointing out some facts about BC&H.

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I have no idea why this was not edited out. Blatant violation of the rules.

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I posted a topic for discussion. I posted relevant quotes from relevant sources. Discuss the topic. Not qualifications of the topic poster. No IIDB member has to be a scholar to post here, do they?
He did not ask you to be a scholar. He asked you which way you want to approach this. Reading comprehension problems, anyone?

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Where exactly did he ask for special rules for you?

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The topic is whether or not Abraham is really Brahma. If any of you have evidence negating what I posted, please post it here so we all can see why the theory of ancient Hebrews either borrowing from or being themselves descendants of ancient Vedic worshipers in India cannot be true.
Premjan already did. In both threads. Care to address him?
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And they said the Mother God doesn't exist. They lied. lol

No wait! You're not one of those gnostic Gods are you? You know that name changing thingy, men into women, women into men

Atheists being Gods, theists wanting to be atheist.........
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Default I can see I'm dealing with closed minds

or rather secular minds just itching for ways to put down any religious point of view, e.g. making the completely wrong assumption about me, the poster of this topic. I am far from being a fundamentalist Christian.

Now, I will try once again, to get a real dialog going here about the TOPIC and not about me.

And please, no diversion from the topic with the old atheist drivel "who cares, they're all figments of imagination anyway."

About 2.5 billion people care and perhaps tens of thousands of them care enough about their religious ideas to take up weapons to make you care about them too.

Gene Matlock's ideas are just the tip of the iceberg, I think. The fact that you or I can look up the basic elements in tracing the historical geological history and movement of people through primary deity names and religious concepts in Vedic worship, shows how near the surface this information is for verification. Western scholars just haven't been looking at this stuff. But they will because it is important, very important, to religious scholars and Abrahamic religionists who, I might remind you all, run our world.

It behooves us all to talk about the fundamental religious concepts of Abrahamic religions if Abraham proves to be a Hindu Vedic god.
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