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Gurdur · 12-18-2003, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beanpie

Who is the "mystery" Babylon?

Sadie Wiggins, of Hampstead Heath.

Some have claimed Kylie Minogue, but it's Sadie, take my word for it.

Quote:

revelation SYLLABICATION:

4 syllables, and "Sadie" is two syllables.
This shows that Sadie� (Sadie squared) is Revelation. Or at least a revelation.
Take my word for it.

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Mystery

Yeah, well, when we were all in school, we always wondered where she got all that money from. She never said....

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... to initiate into the mysteries...

... but later on in life we heard Sadie had been hired at top rates as "Initiatoress" in some weird American fraternity, something to do with "Skull&Crossbones".
We feel that might have something to do with how that Bush turned out later.

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exciting

Yeah, that was definitely Sadie.

Take my word for it.

beanpie · 12-18-2003, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by beanpie
To present what I believe the "Mystery", to represent.

This in no way means I am "unwilling" to "defend my opinion".

In this case, a defense can not possibly, be made.

The quote is the reason , most people post. Then , a "discussion", follows.

contracycle · 12-19-2003, 02:11 AM

The Istar/Innana cult in Mesopotamia certainly was a "mystery" cult and presumably had sacred and secret "mysteries". The whore of babylon seems pretty easy to identify, especially when we contrast the sexual repression of the Semitic patriarchs with the libertine "free love" approach consciously embraced by the Sumerians. That said, I agree with Fortuna that this metaphor is being applied to Rome (although most of those conditions, the may nations etc, did apply to Babylon too.)

Fortuna · 12-19-2003, 04:43 PM

BeanPie,

Yes, I acknowledged that I "believed" that it is "as simple as that", because in this case, the author tells us that he is going to tell us who the WOB is, and I believ that he does exactly as he said he was to do.

No offense was intended. but the clues are very compelling. Have you never heard the idiom that describes Rome as the city of 7 hills ?

I have offered you more than opinion. I showed you some clues from the text itself, and those clues are very compelling and somewhat obvious. Further, the author indicates to us that he really wants us to know who the WOB is, telling us that he is going to tell us, and he does.

Can you offer anything that he did not refer to the Rome of his time, but instead to the Americas as you have indicated in your OP ?

mecca777 · 12-20-2003, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gurdur
Sadie Wiggins, of Hampstead Heath.

Some have claimed Kylie Minogue, but it's Sadie, take my word for it.

4 syllables, and "Sadie" is two syllables.
This shows that Sadie� (Sadie squared) is Revelation. Or at least a revelation.
Take my word for it.

Sadie squared? Are you referring to the infamous "Sadie Square", long used as an incantation by evil magicians?

Code:

S A D I E
A L O N G
D O U A R
I N A N E
E G R E T

The symbolism should be clear, involving as it does a preposition, an Arabic tent-village, a judgement on the worth of the incantation and a type of heron.

beanpie · 12-20-2003, 06:39 AM

Fortuna,

Thank you for, your last e-mail. It has inspied me, to study more.

I am in the process of carefully re-reading Rev. 17-18. I shall also give myself a "crash course", in ancient Roman history, as my knowledge is very limited.

Shall address the "Mystery", upon completion.

And by the way, no offense taken or, intended.

mike_decock · 12-20-2003, 11:44 AM

Revelation, the original Jewish version is a good verse by verse deconstruction of the symbolism used in Revelation. It explains the "Mystery", why Babylon is a reference to Rome and many other elements.

-Mike...

braces_for_impact · 12-20-2003, 11:55 AM

I'm glad to see you're open to learning new things, and will research a viewpoint.

Discussion is so much more fun than spouting off opinions and leaving it at that. You learn so much more.

beanpie · 12-22-2003, 02:16 PM

I believe Rev. is talking about Rome but, I believe it refers to America. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that, America is the modern Babylon or Rome. Too many similarities. That is my opinion.

SIDE NOTE: I found it interesting that, the beginning of the Christian religion was in Rome and now, America is the most poowerful "Christian" nation.

I would also like the following chapters, critiqued...

http://seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk57.htm

http://seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk58.htm

mecca777 · 12-22-2003, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beanpie
I believe Rev. is talking about Rome but, I believe it refers to America. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that, America is the modern Babylon or Rome. Too many similarities. That is my opinion.

SIDE NOTE: I found it interesting that, the beginning of the Christian religion was in Rome and now, America is the most poowerful "Christian" nation.

But if you had lived several centuries ago you would have been able to say the same about various European countries at various points; England, Italy, France or Spain, to name but a few. None of these revelations occurred for the people living then, in what was the "most powerful Christian nation" of any particular era; why is now any different? Surely it can't just be that you're alive now, can it?

12-19-2003, 04:43 PM	#24
Fortuna Regular Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 293	Wait a minute here ! BeanPie, Yes, I acknowledged that I "believed" that it is "as simple as that", because in this case, the author tells us that he is going to tell us who the WOB is, and I believ that he does exactly as he said he was to do. No offense was intended. but the clues are very compelling. Have you never heard the idiom that describes Rome as the city of 7 hills ? I have offered you more than opinion. I showed you some clues from the text itself, and those clues are very compelling and somewhat obvious. Further, the author indicates to us that he really wants us to know who the WOB is, telling us that he is going to tell us, and he does. Can you offer anything that he did not refer to the Rome of his time, but instead to the Americas as you have indicated in your OP ?

12-22-2003, 02:16 PM	#29
beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	my opinion... I believe Rev. is talking about Rome but, I believe it refers to America. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that, America is the modern Babylon or Rome. Too many similarities. That is my opinion. SIDE NOTE: I found it interesting that, the beginning of the Christian religion was in Rome and now, America is the most poowerful "Christian" nation. I would also like the following chapters, critiqued... http://seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk57.htm http://seventhfam.com/temple/books/black_man/blk58.htm

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12-18-2003, 07:06 PM	#22
beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	Originally posted by beanpie To present what I believe the "Mystery", to represent. This in no way means I am "unwilling" to "defend my opinion". In this case, a defense can not possibly, be made. The quote is the reason , most people post. Then , a "discussion", follows.

12-19-2003, 02:11 AM	#23
contracycle Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London Posts: 1,425	The Istar/Innana cult in Mesopotamia certainly was a "mystery" cult and presumably had sacred and secret "mysteries". The whore of babylon seems pretty easy to identify, especially when we contrast the sexual repression of the Semitic patriarchs with the libertine "free love" approach consciously embraced by the Sumerians. That said, I agree with Fortuna that this metaphor is being applied to Rome (although most of those conditions, the may nations etc, did apply to Babylon too.)

12-20-2003, 06:39 AM	#26
beanpie Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: voston Posts: 699	Fortuna, Thank you for, your last e-mail. It has inspied me, to study more. I am in the process of carefully re-reading Rev. 17-18. I shall also give myself a "crash course", in ancient Roman history, as my knowledge is very limited. Shall address the "Mystery", upon completion. And by the way, no offense taken or, intended.

12-20-2003, 11:44 AM	#27
mike_decock Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,505	Revelation, the original Jewish version is a good verse by verse deconstruction of the symbolism used in Revelation. It explains the "Mystery", why Babylon is a reference to Rome and many other elements. -Mike...

12-20-2003, 11:55 AM	#28
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	I'm glad to see you're open to learning new things, and will research a viewpoint. Discussion is so much more fun than spouting off opinions and leaving it at that. You learn so much more.

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