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Old 02-14-2008, 07:13 AM   #231
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What no numbers? you must have numbers of the mainland garrison. thickness of the battlements. size and location?
JayW just to let you in on a secret. sieges are to starve people out. If you have no navy to effectively provide a blockade you cannot starve a people out. they come and go as they please and float down to where your army isn't.
Another point is that the ballista was the only siege engine known around 400 AD. otherwise the only siege weapon known before the invention of torsion was the ram and siege tower but that is not a siege weapon and i might add ballista were very expensive to buy and maintain. Each required 8 men to operate and tend. so if Nebby had one (a hundred years before it was invented) or two it would of made little to no difference against the buttresses and a ram would of had no impact at all against stone walls only against wooden gates. in order for them to be effective he would need several batteries of these uninvented balista pounding against the fortification walls. the problem with this is Phillip of Macedonia in 394 BCE is the first to use these weapons effectively and later his son Alexander. Plus the Greek Ballista was not even invented until Dionysus of Syracuse, circa 400 BC.
So you will also need to clarify WHAT siege engines are used because i am having trouble finding any.
But even if there was a mainland tyre with its back against the sea there was no effective way to surmount the walls of any well defended city and all Tyre would of experienced is a inconvenience of having to ship to another port.
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Translation: "I, sugarhitman, again declare that Ezekiel was a liar".

Why are you defending a person you consider to be a liar, sugarhitman?
Wow great arguement!
hey your the one making up shit like mainland Tyre.
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Aparently Jerusalem was attacked by Nebby and was able to resist between 13-18 months according to the sources mentioned so far.
Jerusalem withstood one attack for three years. Even the seige by the Romans lasted long enough for people to strave.An island city could certainly have withstood an attack from the mainlnd for 13 years.
Any idea how the island city had a supply of FRESHWATER for 13 years?
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Wow great arguement!
hey your the one making up shit like mainland Tyre.
But hey, that's good. When people poke holes in his made up shit, he can just make up some more.

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Wow great arguement!
Comedy Gold! I'm sure that the jewish rulers and the ruler from Tyre sent into exile in Babylon also thought the Zekey was a liar, NOT.
It has been explained to you that in these time when peace accords were struck that it was not uncommon for minor royalty to accompany the other country to live among them. This was common practice of the time. Zeke claims that Nebby would destroy Tyre and it would NOT exist again. this never happened. Without a Navy you can only commit a siege on a land locked city thereby surrounding and starving the dwellers out. How do you commit a siege on a city that has a port and just floats "down river" to avoid you? Obviously you have never studied any military tactics or have any knowledge of military actions by your posts. Even if you could prove there was a mainland Tyre which you cannot, you would have to explain how any siege would be effective to a city with a major port?
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Jerusalem withstood one attack for three years. Even the seige by the Romans lasted long enough for people to strave.An island city could certainly have withstood an attack from the mainlnd for 13 years.
Any idea how the island city had a supply of FRESHWATER for 13 years?
Yes.

Now I could spell it out for you... but maybe you can figure it out. But it will involve thinking a little.
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Jerusalem withstood one attack for three years. Even the seige by the Romans lasted long enough for people to strave.An island city could certainly have withstood an attack from the mainlnd for 13 years.
Any idea how the island city had a supply of FRESHWATER for 13 years?
Maybe they swam ashore each night and carried some back in their hands.

I guess they didn't have any ships to carry it for them. Doh!




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Jerusalem withstood one attack for three years. Even the seige by the Romans lasted long enough for people to strave.An island city could certainly have withstood an attack from the mainlnd for 13 years.
Any idea how the island city had a supply of FRESHWATER for 13 years?
First of all how would the mainland have fresh water? my gues since its next to water probably they did something very shocking. They dug a well! Ohh man i gues you just envisioned all these people getting water from streams and carrying jugs on their heads? Give me a break all major cities had wells thats a stupid argument.
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Maybe they swam ashore each night and carried some back in their hands.

I guess they didn't have any ships to carry it for them. Doh!




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Umm, wasn't Nebby creating a blockade of Tyre?
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Any idea how the island city had a supply of FRESHWATER for 13 years?
Yes.

Now I could spell it out for you... but maybe you can figure it out. But it will involve thinking a little.
Aww, that would certainly require thinking outside the box. Perhaps you could take out a few nails and help them?

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