Cross Examiner

Um. Yeah. This is all very interesting but ... Spenser et al., lets cut to the chase; is the following true or false:

1. "The Flood occurred after the genesis of recorded history"

2. "Only Genesis recounts the story of an epic deluge"

If you said 'hey, these two assertions are false' then you may move to the head of the class, and, you've (accidentally?) stumbled upon the extent to which I was originally commenting upon (and inferences naturally drawn). Congratulations, you have a bright future.

Regards,
BGic

Cross Examiner

Yes, you've adequately 'demonstrated biblical errors' and there is no problem, no problem whatsoever with your particular fringe group's exegetical abilities. Yeah, that's the ticket ...

Regards,
BGic

Spenser

What, did I leave a foul taste in your mouth? The flood myth is just that; a myth. Trying to answer question #1 is fruitless since no evidence exists of such a flood ever occurring nor is such a thing even remotely possible. As for #2 I cannot answer; I do not know if other stories recount an epic deluge. I didn't see a point to your initial response to my argument with Theophilus but since you wished to butt in again I figured this particular argument was better suited here. Fact is, at the time when the flood was supposed to be occurring, other civilizations existed, kept accounts of their history and encountered no such flood. Since this is a fact I am not sure how you can possibly discredit it but by all means...

Cross Examiner

Good. Since you are in possession of the 'facts' you will be able to comment accurately on the following questions:

1. when was the Flood 'supposed to be occurring?'
2. which 'other civilizations existed' at this time?
3. which particular set of records belonging to which civilization do you refer to here:

"...kept accounts of their history and encountered no such flood"

in the other thread, from which this one is derived, I originally commented on this statement of yours:

"...it amazing how during the supposed time of the global flood there is written history occurring in Egypt and in China. Strangely enough no mention of a flood, in fact these civilizations flourished and in no way were wiped off the face of the earth."

If, for example, the Flood occurred before the emergence of 'these civilizations' it would make this:

"in fact these civilizations flourished and in no way were wiped off the face of the earth."

particularly absurd. So, you can imagine the pertinence of my questions. Thanks.

Regards,
BGic

Mageth

Originally posted by Billy Graham is cool
Um. Yeah. This is all very interesting but ... Spenser et al., lets cut to the chase; is the following true or false:

1. "The Flood occurred after the genesis of recorded history"

Well, "The Flood" never occured, so the question is fundamentally flawed. A flood of some non-Biblical proportion may have occurred that gave rise to various flood myths, or more likely floods of local proportion occurred that gave rise to different flood myths. When this myth-prompting flood or, more likely, floods occurred is uncertain. Some quite possibly occurred after the "genesis of recorded history".

2. "Only Genesis recounts the story of an epic deluge"

Obviously false. But interpreting this to mean that there was an epic deluge of Biblical proportions faces the obvious problem that there is no geologic or other hard evidence to support the claim. Mythologies tend to expand their myths to "epic" proportions - i.e. describing a local flood which affects the entire society as a "global" flood. This amply explains the many accounts of epic deluges.

Mageth

1. when was the Flood 'supposed to be occurring?'

Can you at least give us your opinion on this, so we'd know what target we're supposed to be shooting at?

Devilnaut

Mageth:

"Any others?"

Allegory! The bible makes a big deal of associating water with the soul (the "celestial sea"). The reason is because A. it is blue (represents form as opposed to content... cold as opposed to heat which would be red like oh I don't know, fire or blood ) and B. It is shapeless. In other words, not only is it "form", but it is "perfect form" because it is actually boundless (Catholics make a big deal out of Mary's being a "perfect vessel" for God and this gives you a clue as to why that's important). Notice that Jesus was born of Mary and that the beast in revelations (the first one) emerges from the sea.

Anyways that information would probably help in decoding the flood story.

Cross Examiner

Sorry, Mageth. I'd love to kick things off but Spenser volunteered to start the bidding on this (and other 'facts') when he first wrote the words in green quoted in this post. I, for one, anxiously await his revlelation from on high -- should be interesting.

Regards,
BGic

Kosh

Approx 2304 BC, according to the timeline easily derived form the Bible itself (various dates and ages throughout the OT). Source: www.answersingenesis.com

Egypt and China. Take notice of Egypt, which was smack in the middle of it's pyramid building at this time....

Tod

Well, these geologists spoken of in this National Geographic article disagree (click on the link entitled "Next: The Theory" at the bottom of that page). It's their theory.

First of all, the last ice age truly ended about 10,000 to 11,000 years ago.

"Ten thousand years ago, a cold glacial period in the Earth's most recent ice age came to an end." (Palmer, D. Atlas of the Prehistoric World, 1999 p. 158)

An online source I found puts it at 11,000 years ago.

True, it was waning, and the coldest parts of the late Pleistocene was between 22,000 to 18,000 years ago, but the Ice Age didn't end 18,000 years ago. Just the coldest portion ended.

Secondly, the retreat of these glacial sheets didn't occur in a rapid manner. It took a few thousand years for the glaciers to reach their present position.