Wayne Delia

I can disprove the existence of your God, if the three verses in the Bible are assumed to be true. If God's existence is disproved, as it is, it's a very easy slippery slope to deduce that no eternal punishment exists.

In your case, I think it's more of a situation of "not understood well enough to take offense."

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Wayne Delia

It would only appear that way to very stupid, gullible people who do not understand the meaning of the term "religious".

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Wayne Delia

Then you'll LOVE to come to my poker parties. I hold five cards in my hand, and you are uncertain whether I have a royal flush in each hand that I am dealt. Therefore, acting on the uncertainty, it would be to your clear advantage to fold every hand you've got. Not only will you avoid the possibility of getting clobbered by my royal flush, you'll have a standing invitation to come back and play poker any time.

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Wayne Delia

You're wandering all over the map again; you've lost focus on the question of whether a finite loss "reduces to zero" in the case Pascal's Wager is lost (the case that God turns out not to exist).

The person who loses a penny when he has billions of dollars is NOT analogous to a believer who has tithed 10% of income in the case that God does not exist. Pascal misrepresented it when he said "If you lose, you lose nothing."

You have guessed wrong on my financial status. My family's estate is in the multiple millions of dollars.

The question was never whether people see events from different perspectives. The question was whether Pascal misrepresented the loss in the case where the Wager is lost: "if you lose, you lose nothing" cannot possibly be true when a tithe is imposed. There are no infinite rewards to compare to when the Wager is lost. Pascal is wrong, and you're ducking the question.

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Wayne Delia

You've missed the point again, this time probably intentionally. In the case that God exists, AND does not reward insincere, faked, or "hedged bet" belief grounded in self-interest greed, then the infinite gains don't materialize. That's why your argument failed.

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Wayne Delia

They sure do. We have evidence for that, too. But still no evidence for your God, or any actuality of this empty death threat you're parrotting.

And we also see that the more people save for retirement, the more control they have over their circumstances, and the higher quality of life we have.

The uncertainty of retirement is based on what expenses, what lifespan, and what quality of life is aspired to. But for those who live long enough, retirement is a known reality. The uncertainty of eternal torment is based on the complete lack of evidence that it even exists; the same is not the case for retirement.

The reason is you've made up that strawman argument out of pure bullshit. Nothing I've ever said indicates the conclusions you reached. I challenge you to produce any cite of anything I've written which justifies your bullshit conclusions.

I'm calling you out. Put up or shut up. Produce a cite from any post of mine which justifies the bullshit you've concluded, or retract it.

This problem won't go away by you ignoring it. You'll need to address this issue, unlike the "all atheists are thieves" issue you ran away from.

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Wayne Delia

What's even worse is the opinions of ignorant theists who equate skeptical "faith" in well-supported axioms with religious faith unsupported by any evidence at all.

That's because skeptics and atheists are not religious at all (often explicitly so) much to your dismay. Even the United States Government will contend you're wrong; atheism is not entitiled to receive any religious tax exemptions that are enjoyed by major denominations, sects, and in many cases, fringe cults.

You just can't win.

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Wayne Delia

Pantheism rocks!

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Wayne Delia

I wrote a paper on that in my senior year in college many, many years ago. The "Snowflake Curve" is an infinite geometric sequence starting with an equilateral triangle, with three smaller equilateral triangles erected on the middle third of each exposed line segment (resulting in a "Star of David" shape), and each subsequent iteration constructing an equilateral triangle on the middle third of each exposed line segment. After an infinite number of iterations, the thing looks somewhat like a Mandelbrot set, with a calculated area of two-fifths times the square root of three times the length of a side of the original equilateral triangle. But the perimeter is infinite.

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Sauron

Interesting claim.
Let's see the proof.