Meatros

Licona reminds me of Craig (on biblical issues - not the Kalam) without the smugness. I actually prefer him to Craig.

Roller

Oh yeah, Craig just sounds like a douche. I do think he is a formidable debater, however. But I read Ehrman-Craig debate and that was the first time that I thought someone demolished Craig.

In my previous post I was actually thinking about Jason Gastrich (I remembered!). I haven't seen him anywhere in a while.

renassault

It's not really that hard to demolish Craig or especially Licona. When I saw Licona's debate with Elaine Pagels on the Gospel of Thomas, I only wondered at what point Pagels would destroy him. But she ended up not doing that for some reason, and Licona looked as if he won the debate whereas nothing really happened. No offense to Licona or Craig's intentions, but their ideas about Gospel authenticity are incorrect. Ehrman has a case only insofar as he deals with people who argue like that. Otherwise he has nothing.

Toto

This?

Licona and Pagels

This wasn't actually a debate - more of a conversation on Lee Strobels' TV show, which he then edited down, so you don't know everything that was said.

Licona just parrots the orthodox line.

renassault

Yeah, that's the video I'm talking about, I saw it a few years ago and it was fairly obvious that, from what I saw, Licona wasn't taking the direction in which his argument could have shown his conclusions, not to mention support his idea in the background about the unreliability of Thomas over the canonicals. And Pagels wasn't answering the way someone who knew fairly well about Thomas would.

DCHindley

TV shows like that are edited to play to what the producers think their audience wants. However, as we know from real life, TV & Movie producers have a really bad sense of what the audience "wants": Rehashed 1960-80s era TV series episodes and movies. Maybe Strobel or his producers felt they had to dumb down Pagels and use heart tugging sound bites from Licona to play to what "informed people want to know!"

DCH