Magus55

Would you make something like that up, spend the rest of your life spreading that "myth" and lie, knowing full well you will be executed for it?

SkepticBoyLee

Why would the Hale bop comet guys kill themselves??

Why would Muslims go on suicide bombing misions??

That argument never works

aikido7

In John, Jesus says both "God is greater than I" and also "I and the Father are One." Somewhere in the synoptics, he said "call no man on earth your father" and also "...who made ME a judge?"

If Jesus taught everything in parables (as two or three of the evangelists seem to concur) and used short aphorisms in his speech, then that pretty much leaves propositional theology and logical dogma out of the picture (in my humble opinion based on my TRUE knowledge of the Bible!).

The metaphorical speech put into Jesus' mouth by the evangelists can be profoundly true without being literally factual. When Jesus told the parable of the Good Samaritan, was he assuming literal facts like the report of a mugging on file at the Jericho Police Station? If Jesus could use metaphor and parable to talk about God, then the evangelists could certainly use the same speech to talk about Jesus.

Celsus

If the baiting and childish behaviour in this thread does not cease, it will be locked.

Joel

aikido7

I hope it just did. We have a confusion of developing tradition, it seems to me.

There's 1.what Jesus actually said and did, 2. what he said and did that was passed around orally, 3. what the gospel writers said he did, 4. what the Roman government canonized what came from number 3., and finally--5. what Christians and message board posters say today.

hope's daughter

Which response? He has a few. I disagree whole heartedly with alot of what you have posted. i agree there is a way to interpret biblical passages without relying on vague feelings and first impressions. It takes a lot of work to correctly interpret Bible passages. This is not to say that the Bible is not easily understood. Only that reason and the intellect which many shun must be used. Outside sources such as Bible dictionaries, maps, historical time lines and concordances are imperative to good study.

p.s. I found it. No I do not agree with Magus

Tod

You're more optimistic than me if you think I'll get a response from him at all. ; )

I rarely do. In fact, I think he only responded to something I said one time.

However, he can't with any coherency make such a claim, since as I pointed out, genes don't have free will. The problems that arise from incest are a result of harmful mutations building in a gene pool without sufficient variation. You'd think that an omnimax God could conceive of and construct a system of replication that wouldn't allow such "defects" to occur at all.

Celsus

Indeed, thank you very much, aikido7.

Joel

hope's daughter

May I ask what denomination?

Celsus

Mind you, any further posts attacking Vinnie or derailing this thread will be deleted. The thread is broadly on troubling Bible verses. If you want to chase after Vinnie, do it by PM where he is free to put you on Ignore.

Joel