Originally Posted by sugarhitman

I did not plan on writing on this again, but the critics are still bringing this up, so let us go back to this accurate prediction of Ezekiel. Now the critics says that Ezekiel has Nebby attacking Island Tyre. But there is something funny about this because all the weapons used by Nebby are land based, and there were no causeway connecting the island with the mainland. So how did Nebby "siege island Tyre?" History it seems is silent about this. They say he sieged it but does not tell us how. Critics have made up their own history on how Nebby acomplished this, but were they there to witness this event? certainly not. Ask them why would Tyre surrender to Nebby or pay tribute to him, they say things like because Nebby would have used a economic embargo on them and other such rubbish. If that was true then why did they resist Greece, who had this same power and who actually had ships? Well lets take a CLOSE look what Zek says:


"Behold , I am against you O Tyrus, and will cause MANY NATIONS to come up against you, as the sea cause his waves to come up...." Here God says MANY NATIONS will come against Tyre like the waves of the seas. Waves ofcourse comes at different times.

"Behold I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings..." Now here critics claims that the army under Nebby are the many nations predicted that would come against Tyrus. But look at the text Nebby's army is considered one army. A multi-national force is a coalition of soveriegn nations that are not under a single command (like the forces in Iraq) But this army is considered the army of Babylon under one command. Look at what Zek says:

"a king of kings, from the NORTH, with horses and with chariots, and with horsemen and COMPANIES and MUCH PEOPLE....

With HIS AXES (his not theirs)
HIS HORSES (not theirs)
WHEN HE ENTER YOUR GATES (NOT THEY)
HE SHALL BREAK DOWN YOUR WALLS (NOT THEY)
HE SHALL SET ENGINES OF WAR AGAINST YOUR WALLS (NOT THEY)


Notice that not only are these so-called multi-national forces are referred to as a single army it is an army targeting a mainland city and not an island because how can engines of war be set against walls that has no land outside of them? How can a physical siege be employed against a island fortress without ships...especially ships that did not have battering rams? How can wheels and chariots, be used when there was no causeway nor land outside the walls of Tyre? Did Nebby have some kind of special technology? No. Come on people this is basic common sense, which I'm sure Ezekiel had and would not have foretold Nebby attacking an island with these weapons that are completely useless against the kind of fortress like Island Tyre. Ezekiel was after all alive during this time. He clearly fortells Neby attacking the mainland city.

Critics says that the daughters in the field is the mainland city and suburbs. In the bible the daughter city is the city that comes after the mother city. History has it that Old Tyre was the mainland city and that island Tyre was settled from the mainland, so who is the daughter and who is the mother? Mainland Tyre is the Mother city. It was the mother city and the villeges in the field that Nebby destroyed.


THEY are the "many nations" that is separate from Nebby. Because we know from history that Nebby did not plunder Tyre nor build any causeway. Here Ezekiel predicts that THEY:

"....shall make a spoil of your riches, and make prey of your merchandise
.....and They shall LAY (lay means to build not throw, this shows that something was to be built in the water!!) your stones and your timber and your dust (even the dirt!) in the midst of the water."

Alexander did these very things as foretold!! He built the causeway using rubble that he made by destroying what was left of Mainland Tyre.


God says that he would make this place like the top of a rock and that it would not be built again. Critics says the city of Tyre is still there. Not in the place where it use to be. Look! they say pointing to either a city on the island the causeway or a city on the mainland a pretty good distance away from the coast. But if you look right behind the buildings on the causeway, right behind the old coastline where Alex aquired rubble from the old city you will see a large bare spot which seems that construction has went out of its way to advoid. It encloses the Roman hippodrome which is more than large enough to house within it a large city. It is completely bare, and no building can ever take place there again because it is a UNESCO protected site. "thou shall be built no more" certainly has come true.





Now something interesting happens in verse 19 and 20. In the preceding verses God says that the city shall be like the top of a rock a place for fishing and will not be built. That was caused by human armies. But in these verses God says it will become desolate and uninhabited when He bring the deep over it bringing it down into the pit the low parts of the earth. Now how can he do this if there is no city there? Critics like to say that the text says that Nebby was to completely destroy both the mainland and the island cities. If that was true then why does God says it will only be desolate when He bring the deep over it? And how can one place be a place to spread nets on and like the top of a rock when it is buried under the sea? This proves that Tyre inhabits a different or two locations. The city that is to be desolated and uninhabited when it is buried under the sea deep in the "low parts of the earth" is the current city on the island. One location cannot both be a place to spread nets on and like the top of a bare rock and be desolate and uninhabited. Because if fishers are there that means people are there which means it cannot be desolate and uninhabited. Thus we have two judgements for two locations.

This also proves that island Tyre was not to be destroyed by Nebby. Isaiah has Tyre reestablishing itself as a commercial power after the Babylonian 70 year rule, Jeremiah has Tyre listed as one of the nations that would serve Babylon for seventy years. Nebby was not to destroy Tyre completely. Because if he was then there would be no need for God to destroy a city that isn't there. :wave:

Originally Posted by Darklighter

Exactly. Arnoldo, In the case of a powerful nation carrying out a siege against a city, a "draw" of this kind is BETTER (almost a 'win' even) for the city than it is for the attackers, because the city is allowed to go back to buisness as usual. This point is made by Ezekiel when he says that Neb recieved nothing from Tyre, i.e. He FAILED to conquer the city.

It's clear as day my friend. Funny how God made it so that in order to understand the Bible, you cannot understand history. And vise-versa, if you understand history you cannot understand the Bible. Suks don't it? :huh:

Originally Posted by arnoldo

Although there is a modern Tyre, the original site has never been rebuilt,

Originally Posted by arnoldo

Obviously Alexander the Great conquered Tyre exactly as Ezekiel states.

Originally Posted by arnoldo

Wrong, after the 13 year seige Nebby broke through the walls but the people have all fled to the Island.

Originally Posted by arnoldo

Obviously Alexander the Great conquered Tyre exactly as Ezekiel states.

Originally Posted by arnoldo

Wrong, after the 13 year seige Nebby broke through the walls but the people have all fled to the Island. Alexander the Great conquered Tyre exactly as stated in the book of Ezekiel.

Originally Posted by arnoldo

It was a draw for the 13 years but after that Nebby broke down the wall but most of the people had fled to the island.