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Ubercat · 06-09-2006, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Patriarch Verlch
Apparently the only thing that impresses you is one part of a complex fossil, and an artist sketch of what the fossil "should" look like.

Completely biased, and untested in the wild.

The truth is evolution scientists are in such need of transitional fossils, that they create them

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Originally Posted by seraphimkawaii

Uhm...I'm asking about JESUS, not evolution. You know, what this whole thread is about. If you want to go on about evolution, do so in the appropriate forum.

Trying to keep PV from derailing every thread seems to be an exercise in futility. If you want to hear him talk about jeebus, then YOU need to go to the E/C section! Stick around here to hear his views on evolution. :rolling:

-Ubercat

seraphimkawaii · 06-09-2006, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ubercat

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Originally Posted by Patriarch Verlch
Apparently the only thing that impresses you is one part of a complex fossil, and an artist sketch of what the fossil "should" look like.

Completely biased, and untested in the wild.

The truth is evolution scientists are in such need of transitional fossils, that they create them

Trying to keep PV from derailing every thread seems to be an exercise in futility. If you want to hear him talk about jeebus, then YOU need to go to the E/C section! Stick around here to hear his views on evolution. :rolling:

-Ubercat

haha...brilliant! an obvious tactic that i can't believe i overlooked! go to a completely unrelated thread and try to get the answer there.

but, you know, i'm really a pretty lazy person, and summer just adds to it. i'm with other people who simply ask him to post it here.

seraphimkawaii · 06-09-2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by patriarch verlch

Then you have to try and live physically as the bible teaches, and see if that will change your mind.

Ok...well, then I hope you for one have eaten off gold rimmed plates your whole life. Oh, and I trust you've eaten completely kosher too. I'm sure if everyone just obeyed Leviticus, the world would be a much nicer place. I don't think following a bunch of pointless, outdated social rules is gonna help anyone change their mind.

Sauron · 06-09-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sauron

You've been here long enough to know better, Sauron. Quit indulging evolution discussion tangents.

*pouts*

:Cheeky:

RandomCoolzip · 06-09-2006, 01:21 PM

What I had in mind was commentary by contemporary observers, not necessarily interested parties. We have a number of these - Roman historians like Tacitus, Jews like Josephus - who wrote accounts of events of their time that have survived. It would have been possible for Jesus' ministry to have attracted the attention of someone outside the Jesus movement, who might have written something that said "there was this man named Jesus, who did thus and so, and built up a following among the Jews of Galilee, who believed this about him." That doesn't seem to have happened, or at least if it did the writings didn't survive. But it would have been interesting.

Dean Anderson · 06-09-2006, 01:28 PM

I know what the problem is here.

You guys are reading the thread title wrong.

Look carefully. It doesn't say "Extrabiblical Evidence For Jesus". It says "Extra Biblical Evidence For Jesus".

That is why PV isn't posting any evidence from outside the Bible. The thread is about extra evidence from inside the Bible.

It's very unfair of you all to derail this thread with demands for evidence from outside the Bible. Jesus is mentioned in the Bible and that should be all the evidence you need.

Gamera · 06-09-2006, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Pervy

I know what the problem is here.

You guys are reading the thread title wrong.

Look carefully. It doesn't say "Extrabiblical Evidence For Jesus". It says "Extra Biblical Evidence For Jesus".

That is why PV isn't posting any evidence from outside the Bible. The thread is about extra evidence from inside the Bible.

It's very unfair of you all to derail this thread with demands for evidence from outside the Bible. Jesus is mentioned in the Bible and that should be all the evidence you need.

I think the list has been give a number of times. There are a number of extrabibilical references to Jesus/Christ, from nonChristian sources, starting somewhat after his death.

In this he is no different than most historical figures of the time, as few attracted contemporary notice and there were few outlets for memorializing contemporary figures in writing, since there weren't any newspapers or magazine.

Gamera · 06-09-2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Zucco

Name another hoax that had an institution as powerful and brutal as the Catholic chuch forcing it upon the world for 1500 years.

Paganism

Gamera · 06-09-2006, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Atheos

Would the Hindu myths qualify (over 2600 years and still going strong), or do you consider them as authoritative as your particular superstition? I also hear the Mormons are pretty strongly entrenched although they're admittedly based on a hoax that happened 'only' 180 years ago. That Joseph Smith, he sure knew how to pull off a good one.

-Atheos

Well, on the Book of Mormon, I'll concede your point.

I don't think the religious writings of Hinduism are "hoaxes." They're religious texts.

Gamera · 06-09-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sauron

From the point of view of christians, Islam would qualify here (1400 years vs 2000, but who's counting?). You aren't making any progress on this point, by the way.

Again, I don't think the Koran is a hoax. It's a religious text.

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06-09-2006, 01:21 PM	#415
RandomCoolzip Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 630	What I had in mind was commentary by contemporary observers, not necessarily interested parties. We have a number of these - Roman historians like Tacitus, Jews like Josephus - who wrote accounts of events of their time that have survived. It would have been possible for Jesus' ministry to have attracted the attention of someone outside the Jesus movement, who might have written something that said "there was this man named Jesus, who did thus and so, and built up a following among the Jews of Galilee, who believed this about him." That doesn't seem to have happened, or at least if it did the writings didn't survive. But it would have been interesting.

06-09-2006, 01:28 PM	#416
Dean Anderson Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 6,947	I know what the problem is here. You guys are reading the thread title wrong. Look carefully. It doesn't say "Extrabiblical Evidence For Jesus". It says "Extra Biblical Evidence For Jesus". That is why PV isn't posting any evidence from outside the Bible. The thread is about extra evidence from inside the Bible. It's very unfair of you all to derail this thread with demands for evidence from outside the Bible. Jesus is mentioned in the Bible and that should be all the evidence you need.

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