Chili

My vote was none of the above, but they accepted it since it was more humane that the lion cage. After all, how would a lion know if 'this' guy was OK, and with crucificion at least he had a chance to prove himself.

Oh right, that does not work either, so it must have been an allegory right from the start.

Chili

Correct and to me the suffix -ism does not belong in myth if myth is true and Jesus was real and is as real today as he was then.

So myth is current and infallible too. I like to use that word to remove history from myth and point at the values of the Gospels in the plural because there are two of them, in that: when Jesus rose to heaven also hell came crashing down.

So now what is the historicist to say to this? who will go and preach and preach some more in two by two's and actually prove the fire of hell on earth while doing so!

Opposite is Luke and John where "follow me" is the magic word and "'remain here' in this city until you are cloth with the power from on high" and just let meno-pauze do it's own thing.

Of course that 'little city' is faith including the faith of our fathers that so is deep-seated within us, or it would and will always be a scatter-brain event and religion shopping they will go.

Chili

A historists would, for whom the beauty of gold is in it's touch, while the true beauty of gold is found in our ability to walk away from it.

Chili

Maybe you have noticed, and if not you should look again to see that the Jew in him was crucified, and was crucified on the cross he carried that actually was the sum-total of the sins of Joseph who just happen to have this unused cave that he had hewn with his own hands, as arkbuilder himself.

And remember ever more that it was the Jews who shouted "crucify the sinner" because we have our own Law wherein he must die for the final sin he had comitted, as if it was the final lie he could not utter.

It is a beautiful story with no lies about it.

outhouse

This may be to much to ask from you, but could you please stop speaking in gibberish?

I understand there is mythology and fiction written in to a mortal mans life, after his death by another culture not his own.

Joseph has nothing to do with this legend, and cave and arkbuilder are both gibberish.


The Jew a man was crucified during passover, not "jew in him" crucified.


And yet most modern scholarships claim this was fiction.

Chili

If you read Luke and John, Pilate said three times, "look at the man, I see nothing wrong with him" while the Jews shouted "crucify him" as they were looking at the Jew on him and in him who must die by their own law and their own law only, . . . as the second Adam here to crucify the first Adam who was also an illusion in the TOK that banned him from the TOL.

Joseph had the cave and came for the body, and as Jew he was an ark builder too, unless you now are defending the historic flood that Noah sailed and saw it coming 40 years ahead.

And notice that Pilate felt obliged to set someone free by Jewish custom and they shouted back: we want bar-abbas who's name means 'son of the father. and he just happened to be in prison too. That is just and 'ad vericundiam' based on the voice of united skeptic sholars and their opinion means nothing to me.

outhouse

Do you choose to know nothing of Pilate?, seems your purposely missing quite a bit of cultural anthropology on this subject.

I see why you make so many's ignore list.



Pilate was a brutal killer who would not blink a eye to have a trouble maker from Galilee killed. Pilate was known to have a hatered for Galileans.


Pilate setting someone free is seen as fiction by most scholars today. Making a brutal killer inoccent of killing their messiah and making the jews look like the real killers as these God-Fearing Romans built their deity furthering themselves from Judaism.

outhouse

Yes I understand that knowledge from trained unbiased proffessionals eludes you. You make this very clear.

Chili

Yes but this is not anthropology but the overthrow of our faculty of reason and that is why Pilate was the Judge.

And this is not bandwagon social club.

And Galilea is where the charismatics are on fire for the Lord like those gong shows idiots we see on American TV world-wide today.

But this is comedy, and to kill Jesus is the best thing the Jews ever did and knew exactly how and did it often. They knew what 'back' to Galilee meant as spiritually empowered reformer this time, and that is what the whole crucifixion saga is about. All major reformers in the history of mankind are Galileans without exception. Know here that Moses was such a reformer too and so was the pied Piper of Hameln we know.

Notice that the second beast of Rev. 13 came from the old earth and was this final imposter in Matthew 27:64 who worships the first beast that came from the [celestial] sea as did the Jesus of Luke and John here.

And now the scholars do not believe that bar-abbas was set free and welcome and tragedy because they miss the comedy, and did you know that Hitler was a Galilean too, with a jail-house conversion when 'the heat' was on?

Chili

Such professionals need a new story to justify themselves, but go ahead and let them be your guide.