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Old 04-07-2009, 04:50 AM   #1
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1 Corinthians 1
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Paul states that Christianity was not built on what Greeks looked for, which was worldly wisdom.

Nor on what Jews demanded , which was miraculous signs.

Had there really been no earthly miracles which could have been regarded as signs that Christianity was true?

Indeed, Paul suggests that it would be wrong even to look for the miraculous signs that the Jews were demanding.

Miracles would be no more God's way than using worldly wisdom to preach Christianity.
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1 Corinthians 1
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Paul states that Christianity was not built on what Greeks looked for, which was worldly wisdom.

Nor on what Jews demanded , which was miraculous signs.

Had there really been no earthly miracles which could have been regarded as signs that Christianity was true?
Paul was not up to speed on the wandering miracle worker story. His Christ was of the comic flavor.
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1 Corinthians 1
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Paul states that Christianity was not built on what Greeks looked for, which was worldly wisdom.
True, ....with the stipulation that Paul never uses the word 'Christianity' to describe his teachings or the Christ movement of his day, generally.

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Nor on what Jews demanded , which was miraculous signs.
True. No signs are given to Paul's Jewish generation

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Had there really been no earthly miracles which could have been regarded as signs that Christianity was true?
To Paul ? No. The power of God and the wisdom of God - i.e. the spiritual perception of Christ are given only to those who are invited to know the highest highs and the lowest lows of spontaneously altered mind-states and who because of them appear foolish to people who are not invited.


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Indeed, Paul suggests that it would be wrong even to look for the miraculous signs that the Jews were demanding.

Miracles would be no more God's way than using worldly wisdom to preach Christianity.
Indeed.

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I was always surprised that this part of 1 Corinthians was never edited out. According to Paul, Jesus did no miracles and no wisdom sayings (1 Cor 1:22-23). This is also evidence that the gospels weren't in circulation in Paul's time, and that the wandering miracle worker and preacher Jesus is a later invention - a tradition that was absent among the original apostles like Cephas, James, and John.

Score one for the Jesus Mythicists I guess.
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1 Corinthians 1
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Paul states that Christianity was not built on what Greeks looked for, which was worldly wisdom.

Nor on what Jews demanded , which was miraculous signs.

Had there really been no earthly miracles which could have been regarded as signs that Christianity was true?
Paul was not up to speed on the wandering miracle worker story. His Christ was of the comic flavor.

It would appear the writer Paul was already aware of the Jesus story look at Mark 8:12 -
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And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
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It would appear the writer Paul was already aware of the Jesus story look at Mark 8:12 -
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And he sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.
Perhaps and perhaps Mark was simply up on Paul...
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It would appear the writer Paul was already aware of the Jesus story look at Mark 8:12 -
Perhaps and perhaps Mark was simply up on Paul...
The interpolator of Mark16 may have known the real Paul.

Paul was aware of gLuke according to the church writers. The gospel of Mark was written by a disciple of Peter while Peter and Paul were in Rome.

The chronology in the NT about all the authors are erroneous. The writer Paul could not have been asking Jews to worship a blasphemer as a God in order to obtain salvation while Jews were stil observing Mosaic Laws within a few years of Jesus being executed for blasphemy

The writer Paul is from some other time zone after the Jesus stories were fully developped and believed to be true, possibly no early than the writings of Irenaeus.
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Perhaps and perhaps Mark was simply up on Paul...
The interpolator of Mark16 may have known the real Paul.

Paul was aware of gLuke according to the church writers. The gospel of Mark was written by a disciple of Peter while Peter and Paul were in Rome.

The chronology in the NT about all the authors are erroneous. The writer Paul could not have been asking Jews to worship a blasphemer as a God in order to obtain salvation while Jews were stil observing Mosaic Laws within a few years of Jesus being executed for blasphemy

The writer Paul is from some other time zone after the Jesus stories were fully developped and believed to be true, possibly no early than the writings of Irenaeus.
But the early fathers were nothing more than a bunch of liars, so...
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