spin

What part of books and scholars do you have trouble with? ... I guess both.

Already dealt with.

Ditto.

Four animals... two animals... a statue... a king of the north and one of the south... obviously different metaphors. Dreams... visions. Sure there's such a thing as mixed visions, when you assume a four here is a four there. Four animals, four heads, four metals, four horns, four winds. But your guesses don't need evidence or logic.

The book has supplied interpretations to help us here, so you can't get the basics wrong, just the details.

Yeah, a goat's a leopard... that makes sense.

And a ram is a bear.

Already dealt with.

You're like a child with shape recognition problems using a hammer to fit pieces in a china jigsaw puzzle.

When you talk about denying things you assume your assumption is correct, while it's be proven wrong.

Already dealt with your linguistic disabilities. (No division is necessary if the two are not separate. Doh!)

You have still failed to cite a modern professor of a recognizedly non-religious institution who acknowledges your theory.

Medo-Persia is fiction.

That should be "5. Modern Europe" in your fudging perversion.

Retrojection is not an argument for understanding text. You have made no effort to see beyond the straightjacket of your presuppositions. When you assume your conclusions, you say nothing.

Do read a little history. The Syrian Wars were long over by then.

Already shot to pieces.

You've basically said nothing yet again. You've hardly dealt with anything in the post you pretended to respond to. You still haven't dealt with my analysis of Dan 11 and you've proven incapable of offering a substantial alternative. You haven't dealt with the issues of the stoppage of sacrifices in the temple which was on record to have been done by Antiochus IV. Why do you repeat things that have already been dealt with yet refuse to deal with these issues?

Obviously because you are unable to deal with them. You are an abysmal failure to rehabilitate a literalist reading of Daniel. You cannot understand or respond to what is said to you. Do you want to be left with ROFLMAOs? Lift your act or that will be the case.


spin

funinspace

Can you find a non-white supremacist web site that places so much importance on the Germanic influence on the tail end of the Roman Empire? Of all people, you should recognize the risk of relying upon racist zealots for your historical information.

How do you separate out what was fermented into the Roman culture over a 800 year period? The Etruscan’s were the Roman overlords at the beginning who were heavily influenced by the Greeks. Lower Italy was mostly Greek people. Greek city states lined the eastern coast as Rome emerged. The Germans were the hired guns of Rome while in their death throws. They were given outer territories partly has payment for services. The culture, the legal system, the writing, were all very Mediterranean not Germanic. Can you make specific points where the Germanic tribes had a significant affect on Roman culture, society, or political structure?

The western empire collapsed, period. What part of that is not understandable? Succeeding waves of invaders took their toll on the remnants of the western empire. The Germanic tribes, Goths, Huns, and the Vandals took their toll on the remnants of the Roman Empire and opened the curtain to what is called the Dark Ages.

Notice in the below, how the Germanic tribes did not have many of the traditional elements of highly organized society:
http://mr_sedivy.tripod.com/med_hist.html
(not that I’m a big fan of wiki, but the below is consistent with what I’ve read before) What you will see below of Germanic influence, is that they were in essence pulled in as mercenaries trying to shore up the dying empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire
http://www.unrv.com/provinces/germania.php
Let’s move on to England, since it was very important to the evolution of the US. Now the Anglo-Saxons did dominate England for a long time after the fall of Rome, but a 1,000 years ago the Normans (of Viking decent) crushed and drove out the Anglo-Saxon nobles.

http://mockingbird.creighton.edu/eng...0/anglosax.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Conquest
So again, I ask you Can you show how the Greek influence on Rome is some how less than Roman influence on Washington DC?

funinspace

Actually, if one tried to consistently use his definition of empire it should probably be:
1. Babylon
1(b) Babylon-Medo-Persia
2. Greece
2(b). Greco-Rome
2(c). Greco-Roman-Modern Europe

Jack the Bodiless

Wow, i didn't notice this monumental idiocy before:
Lest we forget, the "Grecian empire" was the empire of Alexander the Great:



...And, in sugarhitmanworld, all this territory was occupied completely by the Greeks.

And nobody else.

Sitamun

It'll go over his head Jack, or he'll say they magically became Greek after being conquered.

sugarhitman

Who controled this empire? The Greeks.


And thanks for the post. Sheshong said I was wrong when I said The Grecian empire did not include Europe....I was right.


Thanks.

Sitamun

So if you say the Greek Empire was all Greek because it was "controlled" by Greeks then the Roman Empire was completely Roman and the Persian Empire was completely Persian. You just killed every argument you have ever made.

Oh, and someone call the Greek government, they will be interested to know that they aren't European.

P.S. that is a map for Alexander's Empire. Look at other maps of areas controlled by Greeks at different times as well.

Sheshonq

No, I said you were wrong when you claimed this:

1. The Grecian empire was completely of the Greeks.

2. The Roman empire was of Latins and the Germanic peoples as well as the Greeks. If im not mistaken the Greek empire did not extend that far into Europe whereas the Romans did.

Both of those statements are incorrect. Like many of your other statements; for example,

3. Rome recruited a large number of Germanic peoples into their armies, and these people later took over the empire. The Germanic peoples have been in control of Europe since then. France, England, Germany, Denmark, Russia, America and a host of other European countries are dominated by the Germanic tribes.

4. The Germanic peoples have been in control of Europe since then.

5. France, England, Germany, Denmark, Russia, America and a host of other European countries are dominated by the Germanic tribes.

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So the lesson here is:

You stumbled all over yourself here because you started with your theology, and tried to guess your way through history. As opposed to, say, reading the history first to see what it actually said. :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:

And then, to put the icing on the cake, you tried to use a White Power website as the source for your arguments.
ROFLMAO

No, you're still wrong.

sugarhitman

You didnt you say?

sugarhitman

Sugarhitman: "If im not mistaken, the Grecian empire did not extend that far into Europe, whereas the Romans did."


Sheshong: "You are mistaken as usual."