Sensei Meela

Not to sound rude, but is there a more serious import for the question, or are you just trying to establish that God is apparently quite fond of "hiding" Himself?

mark9950

As you can see jesus broke the jewish law and had to flee from the penalty of that crime.

It seems to me that jesus acts like a child at times instead of facing his fate.You know the kids who throw a ball and it breaks a window.The kids run away.

Amos

No, he was actually looking forward to that (who wouldn't), but he had to be a slippery character or they would have killed him long before his time. Hence "my time has not yet come" and finally "it is finished."

Sensei Meela

But remember, God had predestined the Crucifixion; so nothing Jesus' enemies could've done would've changed that. Or are you saying that a human can resist the ordination of the Sovereign Lord?

Amos

Me? God always does and you are correct, the Sovereign Lord will be crucified and there is nothing the enemies of Jesus could have done to prevent this or it would not have led to the crucifixion.

Humans can prevent this and those will never get to the promised land and they can take a shortcut into the promised land and avoid crucifixion all together.

I think when Jesus said that "[his] time has not yet come" it was implied that it was "not his will" but the will of the father that he be crucified and not him but the father was to make this happen and that would include his eschew from the pharisees.

Amaleq13

That renders the entire ministry pointless, doesn't it? It was a total waste of time to bother preaching the "good news" of the coming Kingdom of God and, actually, a lie to suggest that changing one's behavior (e.g. love thy neighbor) had anything to do with obtaining salvation from the associated Judgment.

Yuri Kuchinsky

Hi, Volker!

It's a general trend in the Magdalene Gospel to show Jesus as more human, compared to the canonical gospels. This is just one such example.

And here's another.

(Mark 3:6 RSV) The Pharisees went out, and immediately held counsel with the Herodians against him, how to destroy him.
(7) Jesus withdrew with his disciples to the sea, and a great multitude from Galilee followed; also from Judea

(Magdalene Gospel 39:1) Then the Pharisees and the publicans went and held counsel how they might _overpower_ and destroy Jesus.
(2) And then Jesus went with his disciples to the sea, _as he was escaping from them_.
(3) And a great multitude of people followed him on all sides.

All the best,

Yuri.

offa

q. what is the shortest verse in the bible?
a. jesus wept

Koyaanisqatsi

Amos, my friend, I'm actually going to take you up on this (and I'll even quote the King James version) as I'm already fascinated by your response (emphasis mine).

Although you may have been posting ironically, Jesus was not looking forward to it and prayed (twice) that his fate be taken from him.

So? What about his sacrificial death was limited to earthly time?

Not to mention his incongruous and inapplicable referencing of Psalms, "My god, my god, why hast thou foresaken me?"

Again, I ask, as a sacrificial death, what was time dependent?

Koyaanisqatsi

And I'll take this, too....

What "enemies" are you speaking of and why a necessary crucifixion? I know you think it's important in retrospect, but that's just your problem. Paul states that Jesus was killed by "the Jews" who killed the "prophets" (1 Thessolonians). The "prophets" (whoever they were) were killed, presumably, by the time honored tradition of stoning, yet Jesus fled both times he faced being stoned to death by "the Jews."

Mark makes it clear that Jesus was killed by Pilate. It that's true, then why would Paul lie?

And please don't insult anyone's intelligence by claiming that Paul meant that Jesus was conspired against by "the Jews" in collusion with Pilate, since Mark makes it clear that Pilate dismisses the bogus charges brought by the Sanhedrin. It is the laughable "stirring" of the crowd by the Sanhedrin (the same crowd that the Sanhedrin feared so much that they conspired to kill Jesus in secret "lest there be a riot" not two days prior) that allegedly and inexplicably forces Pilate to pronounce the death penalty upon a man he already thrice declared was a fee man.

Or are you going to state that these glaring and obvious flaws were the work of your god, as well?

A "shortcut" that pays for Adam's sin, as the scripture makes clear? Then tell me why we weren't all born into paradise as a result? Jesus paid for Adam's fall, so why weren't we all born directly into paradise? Orginal sin was wiped clean from our DNA, so what gives?

So it was the "eschew from the pharisees" that made Jesus pure enough to be a perfect sacrifice? Interesting. The pharisees were wrong and that needed to be established, not by pharisee ruling, but by Roman decree.

Those Romans were unduly important to the whole scheme of sacrificial purety, don't you think? I guess Jesus wasn't pure enough until the Romans declared he be killed for no reason at all, yes? Archetypes not withstanding, where does that place the purety of Jesus?