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When the writer doesn't know too much about the subject, all sorts of errors occur.


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arnoldo

Can you recommend any good sources to find out what actually what happened at Tyre?

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You'll get brief analyses in Donald Harden's "The Phoenicians (or via: amazon.co.uk)" and Sabatino Moscati's "The World of the Phoenicians (or via: amazon.co.uk)". These are relatively old but standard works. (Moscati also did a catalogue, 1988, for an enormous exhibition at Palazzo Grassi in Venice on the Phoenicians.)


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Johnny Skeptic

Which errors are you referring to that I referred to? As far as I recall, I have never said that there are any errors that the writer failed to revise. It has been my position that I suspect that someone DID NOT fail to revise the error that Nebuchadnezzar would defeat Tyre when it became apparent that Nebuchadnezzar was not going to defeat Tyre, and added the "many nations" part, as well as the failed prophecy that God would give Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar, a "king of kings" no less, as a convenient compensation for his failure to defeat Tyre.

I know that you do not like the following arguments that I have posted before because you know that you cannot successfully refute them, but I will post them again now, and frequently, because new readers frequently visit the IIDB, and they need to know how absurd it is for Christians to claim that God wants people to believe that he can predict the future, but chooses to encourage dissent instead of discouraging dissent. No rational being would ever do that.

If a God exists, there is no way that he wants people to believe that he can predict the future. If he did, he would already have made lots of indisputable predictions, such as when and where some natural disasters would occur. By "when," I mean month day, and year. If a God exists, and wants people to believe that he can predict the future, it would be counterproductive for him to inspire prophecies that invite dissent when he could easily inspire prophecies that discourage dissent. That would unnecessarily create doubt and confusion, and limit the number of people who accept him. A God who wanted people to believe that he can predict the future would not have anything to gain by refusing to make indisputable prophecies, and neither would anyone else. No reasonable motives = no God of the Bible.

arnoldo

No, I guess your right, if God can predict the future that means he is omniscient and he wouldn't want people to believe that.. Yes, God created the heavens and the earth and man himself but that is not proof enough. God is so insecure he will want to continuously "prove it" by making predictions. Yes many people get confused about prophecy since it was never intended to be a sign for unbelievers. Yeshua rebuked people who were only looking for "signs" and "wonders" Yeshua is absolute proof of prophecy fulfilled. God doesn't care if people think he can predict the future, that's why he sent his Son into the world.

Johnny Skeptic

Message to arnoldo: If a God exists, and wants people to believe that he is able to predict the future, in your opinion, which method would convince a greater number of people to believe that he is able to predict the future, predicting that the Jews would be scattered and return to their homeland, or predicting when and where some natural diasters would occur. By "when," I mean month, day, and year.

In your opinion, would it have been helpful if Ezekiel had mentioned Alexander?

In your opinion, has God done everything that he is able to do to convince people to believe that he exists?

Huguenot

The prophesy against the King, and the Kingdom of Tyre was right on! The Bible is true, and all the Anti-Bible curmudgeons in the Atheistic rabble haven't made one iota of difference in their attacks against the Bible.

Johnny Skeptic

The entire Bible is not the issue in this thread. This thread is about the Tyre prophecy. Please stay on topic. If you wish to discuss other parts of the Bible, please start new threads.

What evidence do you have that the Tyre prophecy was made before the events?

If a God exists, and wants people to believe that he is able to predict the future, in your opinion, which method would convince a greater number of people to believe that he is able to predict the future, predicting that the Jews would be scattered and return to their homeland, or predicting when and where some natural diasters would occur. By "when," I mean month, day, and year.

In your opinion, would it have been helpful if Ezekiel had mentioned Alexander?

Huguenot

In truth, it is absurd that someone named "Johnny Skeptic" rants, raves and scoffs against the God he insists doesn't exist!?

Your problem here, is that you've attempted to build a strawman. You don't understand the prophesy (ies) of the Bible from the get go, and then you claim that they didn't come true. Good show, but your stawman is burning, and in the end, you're "skeptical". (giggles)

arnoldo

Imagine you are a Jew suffering persecution in a foreign land with no homeland. Knowing God made a promise to Abraham would give you great hope in various trials or tribulations, right? A child of Abraham suffering persecution in a foreign land would care less about psychic predictions or magic tricks, they would want to know that one day they or their children would live in peace in Israel.
How do you know he didn't? God frequently gave greater prophecies but ordered them sealed or kept secret. He commanded the gospel to be preached to all the world and he is using the internet to spread the gospel in cyberspace.