luca

I guess this question must have been discussed before but a quick search did not show useful results, so I dare to ask it:

within the mythical Jesus theory, who is supposed to be the first myther, i.e. the creator of the myth?

Paul had his own private revelation but he never claims to have been the first one. So who could have been conceivably the first prophet of Jesus? One of the Gospel character, or somebody else? and why apparently nobody took clear notice of the first prophet?

Thanks for any help.

Juststeve

Paul would probably say Peter who he believes was the first one to whom Jesus appeared. I would say I don't know.

Steve

aa5874

In the Canon, the author of gMark was the first to imply that his Jesus was the Son of God, that WALKED on water, Transfigured and Resurrected.

It can be logically deduced that gMark was the first MYTH story because the Markan Son of God was NOT a SAVIOR and did NOT Commision his disciples to preach the Gospel AFTER the resurrection.

The author of gMark is the FIRST JC Myther in the Canon.

ApostateAbe

I think that is a good question, one that doesn't get asked often enough, in my opinion. As far as I know, no mythicist has ever named a name nor even drawn a rough sketch of who this person may have been. The difficulty may rest in the point that many of the heroes of early Christiandom don't make sense as founders--not Paul, not Peter, not Jesus--why not John the Baptist? Well, I don't know.

That may be why mythicists have gravitated toward the position that the character of Jesus and the religion of Christianity were evolving products from previous legends, much like Judaism. If so, then it is plausible that there was not a single founder but many, or the founder was unimportant to the subsequent myth and has long been forgotten by the time of the first century.

Toto

Simon_Magus is a possibility.

outhouse

it is a good question mythers normally are forced to avoid



BUT if you know the real history of the founders it makes perfect sense. I would love to hear what you think doesnt make sense.

Really JtB started the movement, jesus carried the ball after his death but after jeus death the movement faled in judaism as the romans were still oppressing and taxing as usual. he was a failed messiah. AND hi silliterate apostles had little impact within judaism. Pauls version made sense as romans were already worshipping in synagogues and had no attachments to jewish laws.

the movement was perfect for the time it offered one powerful god verses many unreliable gods, it offered free health care as they didnt charge for their healings. it took worship out of the corrupt synagogues raping tithes from people.

religion in that time was a money raping opportunity for those in charge and they exploited the poor hard working jews in the fields, the temple was also the bank/treasury and very corrupt and working hand in hand with romans as Caiaphas was appointed by romans. This roman infection in the temple is was the boiling point in jesus life that ticked jesus off so much he got violent over the corruption and was killed for it.

outhouse

with Yahweh it took one king a few years to combine El/Elohim and Yahweh together to form monotheism during the period of second Isaiah. AND we have a clear record of those who were loyal Yahwist and how they gained popularity in times of war, and in times of peace it would go back towards El. and we had competing sects all based on north and southern geographic regions.


here to with jesus we have cross cultural evolution, that we didnt have with yahweh's evolution.

outhouse

I find him a better example of the many traveling teacher/healers in his time.

he was competition for jesus and like jesus failed in judaism.


nothing about simon was out of the oridinary for him to become myth

James The Least

In modern times, Bruno Bauer.

jdboy

The creator of the Myth is whoever wrote Josephus's Wars of the Jews wrote the NT. Josephus claims his work was approved by the Roman Flavian Caesars specifically Titus. Of course there is the letter to Titus in the NT. The arch of Titus
"The inscription on the arch reads: "The senate and the people of Rome,
to the divine Titus, son of the divine Vespasian, by Vespasian Augustus."
In other words God the father and God the Son of God.
I would say the myth of jesus was at least approved by the Flavians.