Steven Carr

We all remember Spartacus, where all the slaves claimed that they were Spartacus, so that they could show solidarity with the guy to be crucified.

I wonder why they showed more faith than the disciples of Jesus.

They deserted him. Where is the 'I am Spartacus' moment in the Gospels?

The disciples had seen Moses and Elijah return to Earth. I am not Jewish, but if I had seen Moses and Elijah, I would be well impressed. If Moses and Elijah talked to one of my friends, and validated him, then I would be inclined to support my friend.

If somebody came along to arrest my friend, I, a non-Jew, having seen Moses and Elijah, would be there with him to the end.

Yet the Gospels say the disciples deserted him!

Compare that to the Spartacus film.

Who should we believe has a deeper insight into human psychology? Hollywood or the Gospels? In this case, Hollywood. It is a no-brainer.

The psychology of the Gospels is just all wrong.

Wads4

Yes, I have often wondered why there is not a world religion of "Spartacusianity",-seeing as how he was unjustly crucified and sacrificed and made a scapegoat by the Roman state, and that he "preached" freedom for slaves and the poor and oppressed.

(Or so Hollywood says-in fact I believe his body was never found)

Spitfire

Peter actually tried to fight back when Jesus was arrested, it wasn't until the trial had actually begun that he and the other apostles went into hiding. I must admit that I'm not particularly well learned on the exact details regarding Jesus' trial and crucifixion, but Christian tradition holds that Mary, Mary Magdalene, and Veronica were with Jesus during most of his trial and stayed with him through the whole execution process. And, if they had not done so, there might not have been an accurate scriptural account of the crucifixion in the first place.

AZSuperman

Heck, some of the Christians I talk to use the lack of bones as PROOF that Jesus was a real person!

countjulian

Poor and oppressed *maybe* (if they were Jewish poor and oppressed people), but where did Jesus ever mention slavery? Whenever he mentions it in a parable Jesus seems to approve.

Thomas II

Yeah, but those guys with Spartacus were slaves and gladiators, and had balls of steel...
Who falls asleep the day they are going to take their beloved master Jesus prisoner?:huh:
The Apostles...
If they would have been with Spartacus, the scene would have been very different...

"Who of you is Spartacus?"

"I am Spartacus..."

(yawn)

"Oh,YOU are Spartacus?"

"Yes...I am Spartacus......"

(yawn)

"Ok, take him and crucify him!...That was easy..."

jjramsey

Hollywood may know a lot about psychology (though that really depends on the particular writers, producers, etc.), but they use that to show things that people want to see, not necessarily what is true to life. I'd be leery of taking for granted that either Hollywood or the Gospels show psychological realism.

I hope you are making your argument in jest.

Thomas II

For some reasons the scene of Jesus' arrest in Mel's movie strikes me as accurate...
Heavy night, misty, stressful, tiresome, sleepy...

(yawn)
........?
.........wtf?
........WTF?!
who?.......
..............
where?....
.............

WHAT???

.....Oh shit...oh shit....
...............................

What do we do?...What do we do?....

Where the fuck are my shoes??...

.....Oh shit....

(confusion and pandemonium)

If you think about it, there is very little time for an organized "I am Jesus" scene...

Steven Carr

After all, it is not as though the disciples had been told this was going to happen, was it?

I wonder why the return of Moses and Elijah provoked so little interest among early Christians.

Wads4

Yes indeed-he did not condemn it.