Prester John

How many times in the last 2000 years has this been claimed and how many times has it been true....? LOL The hubris of it special one LOL

sugarhitman

Read that very carefully. The only people standing there were the diciples. "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death UNTIL they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom." Note the word UNTIL. Which means they would die after they see His coming. Christians know that when Jesus returns those who remain alive will be with the Lord forever (see Paul Thessolonians) and will not see death. Later some of the diciples such as John did indeed see Jesus return....in visions...and died afterwards. Daniel also saw His return. The word UNTIL OR BEFORE is the hint.

Casper

In English, "this generation" could in fact be construed to indicate a phrase related to the implied object of a preceding sentence.

I'm just learning a tiny bit of Koine, so I can't say, but the whole idea is silly unless Jesus spoke English.

So what evidence can be presented that Jesus spoke English, and those words were clearly understood and faithfully passed on in the oral English tradition, to be clearly dictated in reinterpreted Greek?

Either the use of the words "this generation" was an interpolation or misinterpretation, casting doubt on the authenticity of the quote, or the word is correct and the singular form in the followup phrase is clear.

For reference I need only compare the inerrant scripture of Matthew 24:33 with the inerrant scripture of Colossians 1:26

Matthew
ουτως και υμεις οταν ιδητε παντα ταυτα γινωσκετε οτι εγγυς εστιν επι θυραις

Colossians
το μυστηριον το αποκεκρυμμενον απο των αιωνων και απο των γενεων νυνι δε εφανερωθη τοις αγιοις αυτου

Now, if you wish to argue against inerrancy, I'm sure a new post by yourself will draw considerable support in this forum.

[Quincy Taylor] [/Quincy Taylor]

sugarhitman

The diciples did not go through all the towns of Israel. In Revelations There are a 144,000 JEWISH (Twelve thousand from each tribe) witnesses who will proclaim the Gospel throughout Israel during the reign of Anti-Christ who will be persecuted by him and those who follow him. This is what Jesus was referring too. :wave:

Sheshbazzar

So then you are predicting that "Aremegeddon" is to take place 60 years from now? 1948+120=2068
Sill wearing that moldy old William Miller, Charels T. Russell, JW, SDA, et.al holey robe of doom and gloom?
This is the tradition that "sugarhitman" is yet again espousing;

www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

'Hitman, Didn't your mommy ever read you the story of Chicken Little?

sugarhitman

No, but she did read me the story of the little boy who cried wolf which many of these false prophets like Charles T. Russell remind me of.....but regardless in the end....the wolf came. :wave:

Stacey Melissa

The passage isn't talking about mere visions. It's talking about the actual Second Coming. That's why verse 27 includes the bit about the coming judgment - when "he will repay everyone for what has been done" - which is supposed to be part of the Second Coming, and not a moment before the Second Coming.

The idea that Jesus was referring to mere visions is ludicrous. "Uhhh, some of you will have visions of me before you die."???!!! That's not a prophecy. That's not even a prediction. That's an inevitability. Any clown could have guessed that and been right. Big freakin' deal.

Casper

Regarding one small peice, the Restoration of the Nation of Israel,

Does a secular democracy really represent the restoration of a pre-hellenist theocracy simply because a few modern languages have similar phonetic designations?

The Khmer Rouge were certainly not the "restoration of the Nations of the Khmer". The state of Hawaii is not the continuation or rebirth of the previously named Nation of Hawaii, likewise the Republic of Texas has only geographical history in common with the current State of Texas. Even culturally the old and new are dissimilar.

Maybe we are seeing the false fulfillment of prophecy. That could be it, Satan will create a false nation and a false temple, a false antichrist and bring it all together in a gathering of the faithful at armageddon and their destruction. Oliver Stone could do the screenplay.

sugarhitman

Sweet like Sugar Ray Leonard, destructive like Tommy the Hitman Hearns....SugarHitman. What am I trying to accomplish?.....Defend the Truth!

Jayrok

I'm convinced that sugarman is merely fishing here on this site to see how many people he or she can get to bite the stinky bait and argue.

His or her silly response to John Kesler in post #14 is evidence enough for that.

sugarman takes this passage and does the typical mental gymnastics to turn it away from Jesus talking to the disciples he's sending out to towns and gives it to Jesus talking to the 144K Jews in Revelation in a desperate attempt to put a bandaid on the gaping wound the John Kesler points out in sugar's flawed reasoning.

It isn't convincing, mind you, but amusing none the less. It looks like he or she has been reading JPH or G. Miller websites (say anything to squelch a contradiction).

While it may seem annoying to some here, I don't think it has the same effect that sugarman wants. If there are christian lurkers here from time to time and they read his or her crap and lame excuse after lame excuse they may take another look at these stories and begin to question if they really believe them as truth.

It was lame christian apologetics and mental gymnastics used to explain away difficult issues that furthered me along the path away from the faith.

I can see sugarman's motives backfiring for many christians reading from the fence on some issues.