Duvduv

We have discussed the origin of the idea that Paul climbed down a wall as it compares to the case of Joshua, but did the story of Judas hanging himself in Matthew over regret at betraying his Jesus come from the story of Ahitophel hanging himself when he realized his plan to overthrow David with Absalom failed, thanks to Hushai's ability to pursuade Absallom to delay an attack his father?

Of course each rationale for hanging themselves was very different. But it goes without saying that Ahitophel, who was King David's closest confident and counselor could have remorse over seeknig to overthrow David. In fact, at the time of the delay it would not have been known whether David would actually be overthrown or not.

2 Samuel 17:23:
23 Now when Ahithophel saw that his advice was not followed, he saddled a donkey, and arose and went home to his house, to his city. Then he put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died; and he was buried in his father’s tomb.

Matthew 27:
When Judas, who had betrayed him, saw that Jesus was condemned, he was seized with remorse and returned the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders. 4 “I have sinned,” he said, “for I have betrayed innocent blood.”
“What is that to us?” they replied. “That’s your responsibility.”
5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

GakuseiDon

Other than both involve hanging; is there anything more that suggests borrowing?

Toto

The parallel has been made by many Christians.

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■ Judas and Ahithophel both hang themselves after the deed (2 Sam 17.23/Matt 27.5).
■ They both plan to do the deed at night (2 Sam 17.1/John 13.30).
■ David and Jesus both pray for deliverance on the Mount of Olives (2 Sam 15.31/Mark 14.26ff.).
■ David and Jesus both cross the Kidron (2 Sam 15.23/John 18.1).
■ It is claimed that the death of one man will bring peace to the people (2 Sam 17.3/John 11.50).

aa5874

Once you use gMatthew as evidence then it must be examined for its credibility and historical accuracy. gMatthew is a Myth Fable of a character called Jesus the Son of a Ghost that was BETRAYED by Judas.

Judas is fiction character in the Myth fable called gMatthew.

And further, 2 Samuel may also be fabricated or myth fables.

It is NOT a good idea to look for parallels in sources of myth to determine history.

Duvduv

In Ahitophel's case his betrayal and the failure of Absalom would have resulted in both Absalom and Ahitophel being executed for rebellion, which carries the death penalty and the seizure of all property. So Ahitophel arranged for the transfer of his property and prevented an ignominus death as a traitor.

So in the context of the story was Judas's suicide out of mere depression/remorse, or did he want specifically to avoid some other punishment although according to the laws of the land he didn't commit a real crime by betraying Jesus?

And Acts doesn't seem to know of the suicide idea of Judas. Indeed, Judas had no remorse and was divinely punished. And of course the GJudas makes no mention of it.

The field of blood was either because Judas bought a field with the ill-gotten money or because the officials bought it.
GLuke says Judas betrayed Jesus but with no suicide of remorse.
He seems to follow the line brought in GMark, skipping over GMatthew's description of events. In GJohn Judas disappears after the betrayal and no mention of suicide surfaces. GJohn has just a few details shared by other gospels.