Chili

Not sure what you people are bitching about as the woman was never banned from Eden and should be left there and never enter the sanctuary in public, but (and not just maybe), let her echo be heard from behind the veil to enchant and decorate our speach as she is and always will be our seat of wisdom and most private senator.

She is our intuition in the particular and in marriage our soul-mate to explore and exploit that she may be fully absorbed by us 'blank slate males' who so adsorb her as the beauty of truth in union with the father, still, from whom all good things come about that ultimately leads to the hypostatic union in the mind of the male, after which, then, she wll be crowned queen of heaven and earth.

In reality she has a clear sight of our celestial mind (read soul) to measure and make manifest our potential as stranger in a new world ('this' age in the here and now) so that we can compete and live out our own predestination and make the most of it until the divine Annunciation puts her at rest (Luke 1:24-25), where, when, how and why she witholds her influence in the conscious mind to create the vacuum that prompts the Annunciation of Mary to make our rebirth from water and spirit so that we may be made whole and not act like a chicken with its head chopped off after rebirth, unlike Macbeth, I dare say, but like Coriolanus instead who's Volumnia was Elizabeth in Luke.

Please note that lady Macbeth hath no name but lady Macbeth to show that she was on the forefront (the pulpit) where she did not belong in the life of Macbeth who also wanted to be 'king hereafter' and got there 'here' but not 'after'.

Chili

Fleeting Y ?Because sin is good and God loves a cheerfull sinner.

Because a beard does not look good on females?
The woman proper as the womb of man (read man as God) is without sin . . . and saw that the TOK was good for gaining power, wealth and beauty to make him (mildly 'the idiot') her hunter while she is gatherer.

There is nothing great about being a shepherd except as sheep, nor about public righteousness or being on top in bed.

Best wishes

Berrie.

Edit to add: Please note that my concept sin is based on Aristotles "Stand and Rout" wherein the conclusion is the product of rout wherein two opposites meet in conflict . . . whether that be love or hate but they are and must be contrary nevertheless to engage and deliver in all forms of creation. With all illusion removed it really is a matter of 'truth versus beauty' wherein usually beauty gets a pounding so that truth may prevail. To this idea the religious concept sin is attached and the churches are lined with confessionals so that sin may abound and the courage to sin may increase.

Conversely it would follow that if beauty is the victor truth gets a pounding and our utility decrease by degree for generations to come . . . and from this it would follow that the well being of a civilization can be measured by the beauty of its people wherein the woman is the perfect image of "mortal beauty" (Penguin Joyce's "Portrait" page 171 ff), wherefore then the woman makes her appearances in the perfect image of the current age, which here is with a "seaweed [that] had fashioned itself as a sign upon the flesh," to say that she was the cause of it all and so sin is good. Lovely.

Chili

More banal you mean because she is a void and a dud without the greater serpent to strike her head and could never 'light up her day' without the ego (Jesus) or the woman aside. The temple tramp (yours alluded to above) was Eve who's name spells 'desire' to show she is a void but fun to arouse for sure (from Julius Caesar in his pivotal speech just before he was slain: "but know thy first, I loved the maid I married"). In the Gospels she is called Magdalene who is the mediatrix between Mary (greater serpent) and ego-boy Adam there called Jesus as reborn Joseph. Magdalene now (Eve by nature) is the lesser serpent that Adam created by conjecture in the shame complex to know good and evil, for without good evil cannot be conceived to exist and so Eve must have cause of being but is annihalated by way of crucifixion and not present in the trinity of heaven on earth.

Note please that the most enigmatic woman called Mary is on the other side of our great divide with no access to her except by way of HS at her sole discretion . . . except for Gabriel, of course.

premjan

You write like Samuel R. Delaney - I can't make out head or tail but it all sounds sort of sensible and flows together.

Chili

Fair enough, yet they called the Holy Church the bride of Christ with Mary the seat of wisdom and not even one pope as Christian but Catholic at best, occupying only the seat of wisdom demonstating only the faith of Peter. Hence Peter-and-Paul is first Pope of which only Paul died and the seat of Peter remained to perpetuate and venerate the woman for what she is and means to us (and just left Jesus hanging there as if 'who cares about him' other than being a means to the end).

Chili

The problem Stephan is that we all are part human and part woman in our total being and to the extent that we are not human are we woman and so an increase in our humanity is at the cost of our womanity (however archaic that word now may be), and so also is an increase of our womanity at the cost of our humanity. We so can speak of masculine males and effeminate females which in our modern 'gender equal' society has become somewhat blurred to the point that [without prejudice] we have effeminate males and masuline females, sex and gender identities, homo's, lesbians, cross-dressers, sex changes, woman soccer, wife beating, family violence and child abuse just to name a few . . . that are intuit in origination and so really are a societal dis-easy.

Now note please that I place human opposite to woman since both males and females are rational agents with a lymbic system in function for us to cope and live in 'this' age, as we must since this is when we are born to do just that. So now then it is in our humanity that we are temporal and in our womanity we are eternal (right brain is not time-conscious) and thus not of 'this age' and hence she is our seat of wisdom to which also our eidolons (shepherds or strongholds) must be raised into the 'upper room', as it is called it there, but really is Eden where she is from but is now New to us.

Now Mary (this Holy Mary we know), on the other hand was 100% woman and not human and therefore sinless but was and still is without a corporeal existence of being as she was taken from man to be is dowry in betrothal after the great involutional melancholic period had passified 'his' will and 'desire' (the ox and the mule at the nativity) to make this possible. This then is why tithing is important instead of giving money per se (see Luke 1:5-25 on this).

I think we have 2 icons depicting this state of mind where in the journey to Bethlehem Joseph is shown to drag his ass behind the donkey on which Mary was enthroned while on the Triumphant Entry into the New Jerusalem dapper Joseph was as much as dragging the ass.

But they are good soccer players and don't seem to need time out every now and again.

Chili

With all respect avi and I agree that nothing is more deserving of our love and attention than the beauty of truth, but the fact remains that it must be created first.

And I fully agree with your salute to females but the real tragedy is that females outnumber males as the default sex identity on Gods green earth where creation is the name of the game, to be sure, and not the sterilization by way of social nuetering of the opposites in our sex identity, wherein the first sign of disorder is the increasy of female births that is followed by sexual disorientation and finally the inability to procreate. To this end just ask yourself why fertility clinics outnumber abortion clinics already now within 2 generations after this social change was made.

To this end also material issues are not important and it is wrong for you to suggest that material weight should be added to fortify and validate the social redirection from the old "opposite sex society" to the modern "gender equal" that society wherein by law social status was given to a new "gender identity" in favor of our sex identity . . . even after we claim to have a superior understanding of reproduction, hormonal influence, and genetic roles in changing human affect.

While I agree that male superiority should not be a matter of force it is wrong to blame society as a whole now that we have this so called "superior understanding" of human reproduction wherein science has failed to understand the efficient cause of creation wherein the essence of life must be created ex nihilo before it can be conceived . . . which then is meta- or prior to physics and so beyond the reach of science! Period, but totally ignored even after we know that hormones play an important role in our fertilty while ignoring the past social norms that served for 2000 years as a natural hormone stimulant to maintain our fecundity and so actually create the insubstantial fleeting Y that makes life an illusion and so ex-nihilo to us.

Then I also agree that obstinately following dictates of ancient prejudices is not acceptable because religions can be misdirected flock, church, shepherd and all but that does not mean that the old parameters should be ignored, especially not if they have proved themselves in the past by its splendor and beauty to which we often look in memory of our past.

Intelligence means nothing in itself but natural hormone stimulation does and if this leads to cross orientation with our sex identity it is not beneficial to society as a whole. To this end just go to church or any family gathering and see in which families the boys are born and then ask yourself why freeloaders-by-degree are acceptable regardless of the contribution they make. Oh sure, I understand my abuse of that word but if the above is true the collective aim of a civilization is its survival first and foremost and should therefore be encouraged and not undermined.

In support of females let me suggest that they are meant to be above and below males just as the senate is to the house of commons. Above to guide and direct and below rejoice and console.

Chili

It was the woman who gave it to her 'husband' and he was not Adam yet but man still naked and without shame. The significance here is that the name Adam is given to the ego of man instead of man who so is redeemable after a clean shave. Eve is not the woman and never will be called Eve.

Roger Pearse

It is not immediately obvious to me that this is a tragedy. An opportunity, possibly. I suppose it depends how many of those females are young, blond, and available; and how many are like Hilary Clinton. Decisions decisions.

However you look at it, life is just so complicated.

All the best,

Roger Pearse

Iskander

Eve did not cause Adam to eat the fruit; she was serving the dinner requested by Adam. She had tested the fruit before serving it as cooks usually do.

The head gardener was jealous when he saw that Eve preferred Adam and sent them both packing. The first ménage a trois terminated by the shocking anger of the cornu and this illegal eviction is the first crime passionnel ever recorded.


Her name was Hava and she was a lady first and a woman only to Adam