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AlienWorkShop · 12-11-2001, 03:36 PM

Can anyone give me some specific examples of stories in the Old Testament that were based on or stolen from other myths/legends?

Marduk · 12-11-2001, 03:48 PM

all of them!

creating man from clay- Babylon/Sumer 'Atrahasis'
creating the cosmos from Chaos-Babylon 'Enuma Elish'
The Flood Story-Sumer/Babylon 'Epic of Gilgamesh'
The Tower of Babel- Sumer 'Enmakar and the Gods of Aratta' (unsure of spelling)
Man gets cheated out of eternal life- Epic of Gilgamesh

Good book "The Chaldean Genesis" by George Smith (I think) or "Myths of Mesopotamia" Stephany Dalley

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AlienWorkShop · 12-11-2001, 03:55 PM

Thanks marduck

I've also heard that the 10 Commandments are based on the Code of Hammurabi(sp?) Anyone know if that's true?

Apikorus · 12-11-2001, 04:41 PM

Psalm 104 seems strongly influence by the Hymn to the Aten.

offa · 12-11-2001, 05:47 PM

Offa snipping;

Aton made the Nile in Egypt and rain, like a heavenly Nile,
in foreign countries. He has a million forms according to
the time of day and from where he is seen; yet he is always
the same. . ." The only person who knows and comprehends
the god fully is said to be Akhenaton, together with his
wife, Nefertiti. The hymn to the Aton has been compared in
imagery to Psalm 104 ("Bless the Lord, O my soul").

Hey, I was curious so I started searching.

Thank-you Apikorus;

Offa

copernicus · 12-11-2001, 06:19 PM

The best book that I have seen on the subject of Biblical plagiarism is Gerald A. Larue's <a href="http://shopping.yahoo.com/shop?d=b&id=2892769&cf=1&clink=dmpr-hm/rp" target="_blank">Ancient Myth and Modern Life</a>. Larue has made a life-long study of ancient sources of Biblical mythology. I can't recommend him too highly.

lpetrich · 12-11-2001, 08:26 PM

The 10C's are the beginning of a big law code; some of it is apparently an imitation of Mesopotamian law codes like Hammurabi's.

Anunnaki · 12-12-2001, 10:44 AM

Marduck forgot to include how Moses being sent in the basket was taken from the Sumerian king Sargon.

<a href="http://www.piney.com/BabSarAgade.html" target="_blank">Sargon</a>

Marduk · 12-12-2001, 03:09 PM

I also forgot to mention that the 10 C's are very similar to the 24 Confessions to Osiris from the Pyramid Text, 2500 BC. Code of Hamurabi is around 1750 BC.
Also the story of the bad god starting a war with the good god over control of the Earth is from Sumer also, 'The Epic of Zu'

Marduk · 12-12-2001, 03:58 PM

egads! Marduck may have made a mistake!

The Tower of Babel- Sumer 'Enmakar and the Gods of Aratta'

This may be the 'Job' story. I'm not 100% certain.

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Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	all of them! creating man from clay- Babylon/Sumer 'Atrahasis' creating the cosmos from Chaos-Babylon 'Enuma Elish' The Flood Story-Sumer/Babylon 'Epic of Gilgamesh' The Tower of Babel- Sumer 'Enmakar and the Gods of Aratta' (unsure of spelling) Man gets cheated out of eternal life- Epic of Gilgamesh Good book "The Chaldean Genesis" by George Smith (I think) or "Myths of Mesopotamia" Stephany Dalley [ December 11, 2001: Message edited by: marduck ]</p>

12-11-2001, 03:55 PM	#3
AlienWorkShop New Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2	Thanks marduck I've also heard that the 10 Commandments are based on the Code of Hammurabi(sp?) Anyone know if that's true?

12-11-2001, 04:41 PM	#4
Apikorus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,396	Psalm 104 seems strongly influence by the Hymn to the Aten.

12-11-2001, 05:47 PM	#5
offa Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Monroeville, Ohio, USA Posts: 440	Offa snipping; Aton made the Nile in Egypt and rain, like a heavenly Nile, in foreign countries. He has a million forms according to the time of day and from where he is seen; yet he is always the same. . ." The only person who knows and comprehends the god fully is said to be Akhenaton, together with his wife, Nefertiti. The hymn to the Aton has been compared in imagery to Psalm 104 ("Bless the Lord, O my soul"). Hey, I was curious so I started searching. Thank-you Apikorus; Offa

12-11-2001, 06:19 PM	#6
copernicus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,531	The best book that I have seen on the subject of Biblical plagiarism is Gerald A. Larue's <a href="http://shopping.yahoo.com/shop?d=b&id=2892769&cf=1&clink=dmpr-hm/rp" target="_blank">Ancient Myth and Modern Life</a>. Larue has made a life-long study of ancient sources of Biblical mythology. I can't recommend him too highly.

12-11-2001, 08:26 PM	#7
lpetrich Contributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lebanon, OR, USA Posts: 16,829	The 10C's are the beginning of a big law code; some of it is apparently an imitation of Mesopotamian law codes like Hammurabi's.

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Anunnaki Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: I`ve left and gone away Posts: 699	Marduck forgot to include how Moses being sent in the basket was taken from the Sumerian king Sargon. <a href="http://www.piney.com/BabSarAgade.html" target="_blank">Sargon</a>

12-12-2001, 03:09 PM	#9
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	I also forgot to mention that the 10 C's are very similar to the 24 Confessions to Osiris from the Pyramid Text, 2500 BC. Code of Hamurabi is around 1750 BC. Also the story of the bad god starting a war with the good god over control of the Earth is from Sumer also, 'The Epic of Zu'

12-12-2001, 03:58 PM	#10
Marduk Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: the 10th planet Posts: 5,065	egads! Marduck may have made a mistake! The Tower of Babel- Sumer 'Enmakar and the Gods of Aratta' This may be the 'Job' story. I'm not 100% certain.

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