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05-29-2001, 06:41 AM | #1 |
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The OT - Books by the decendents of hand-pecked husbands ?
Archeaological works in China has revealed a matriarchy system prior to a patriarchy system by examining the amount of burial "gifts" that accompanied burials of females & males about 18000 - 20000 yrs ago.
The OT itself contains statements & believes that the female is responsible for the "downfall" of human kind & strongly suggested that females should be subservient to males. In this aspect, can we assume that the patriarchy of the ancient hebrews maybe preceded by a matriarchy ? With the hebrew texts containing the evidence of a power play when the matriarchy is overthrowed by putting a gigiantic blame on them inorder to wrest the power onto the hands of the patriarchs ? Is there any archeaological evidence which may further support this ? |
05-29-2001, 06:59 AM | #2 |
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"Hand-pecked?"
Is that similar to "hand-job?" I think you mean "hen-pecked." |
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05-29-2001, 09:18 AM | #4 |
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KCTAN: In this aspect, can we assume that the patriarchy of the ancient hebrews maybe preceded by a matriarchy ?
SWL: No. SecWebLurker |
05-29-2001, 01:10 PM | #5 |
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One has to be careful about drawing such conclusions. In many societies with strong male dominance, those dominant males feel that women have to be kept in their subordinate place, and consider women out of their control to be a great nightmare. It is as if they do not trust women to be naturally subordinate.
Thus, in Greek mythology, the Amazons were great villains who had to be shown who's boss. And the same thing may have happened with the writers of the Bible. |
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05-29-2001, 01:26 PM | #7 |
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Thus, in Greek mythology, the Amazons were great villains who had to be shown who's boss. SWL: But women aren't "great villians who had to be shown who's boss" in the Old Testament. lpetrich: And the same thing may have happened with the writers of the Bible. SWL: And it also may be the case that you are just desperately grasping for straws because any potential argument against any aspect of the Bible excites you. SecWebLurker |
05-30-2001, 02:38 AM | #8 |
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KCTAN-
There might be several reasons to postulate a society other than a matriarchy. Chief among them is its rarity in world history (if it can even be said to have existed), and some explanations as to why that should be so (as far as we know, ancient tribal societies are very physical, and men are on the average stronger than women, etc.). Without some more context, I might as well postulate that these ancient societies were the founding believers in Eastern pessimism- that the world is evil and thus we have to be free from the world. So, in a patriarchy, the possessions of a family might be buried with the "inferior" woman and considered bad luck. If you have any more context to share about the discoveries, then do so... but I see no reason to believe in a matriarchy because of them as they stand. I'm still interested in the nature of these finds though- Cheers, Dan |
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