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Old 05-29-2001, 06:41 AM   #1
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Question The OT - Books by the decendents of hand-pecked husbands ?

Archeaological works in China has revealed a matriarchy system prior to a patriarchy system by examining the amount of burial "gifts" that accompanied burials of females & males about 18000 - 20000 yrs ago.
The OT itself contains statements & believes that the female is responsible for the "downfall" of human kind & strongly suggested that females should be subservient to males.
In this aspect, can we assume that the patriarchy of the ancient hebrews maybe preceded by a matriarchy ? With the hebrew texts containing the evidence of a power play when the matriarchy is overthrowed by putting a gigiantic blame on them inorder to wrest the power onto the hands of the patriarchs ?
Is there any archeaological evidence which may further support this ?
 
Old 05-29-2001, 06:59 AM   #2
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"Hand-pecked?"

Is that similar to "hand-job?"

I think you mean "hen-pecked."
 
Old 05-29-2001, 07:31 AM   #3
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"Hand-pecked?"

Is that similar to "hand-job?"

I think you mean "hen-pecked."
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AHHHHHHHH !!! Should be hen-pecked !!!
Oh great Administrators & Moderators, how can I get it changed ?

 
Old 05-29-2001, 09:18 AM   #4
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KCTAN: In this aspect, can we assume that the patriarchy of the ancient hebrews maybe preceded by a matriarchy ?

SWL: No.

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Old 05-29-2001, 01:10 PM   #5
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One has to be careful about drawing such conclusions. In many societies with strong male dominance, those dominant males feel that women have to be kept in their subordinate place, and consider women out of their control to be a great nightmare. It is as if they do not trust women to be naturally subordinate.

Thus, in Greek mythology, the Amazons were great villains who had to be shown who's boss.

And the same thing may have happened with the writers of the Bible.
 
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It can't, sorry.
 
Old 05-29-2001, 01:26 PM   #7
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lpetrich:

Thus, in Greek mythology, the Amazons were great villains who had to be shown who's boss.

SWL: But women aren't "great villians who had to be shown who's boss" in the Old Testament.

lpetrich: And the same thing may have happened with the writers of the Bible.

SWL: And it also may be the case that you are just desperately grasping for straws because any potential argument against any aspect of the Bible excites you.

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Old 05-30-2001, 02:38 AM   #8
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KCTAN-

There might be several reasons to postulate a society other than a matriarchy. Chief among them is its rarity in world history (if it can even be said to have existed), and some explanations as to why that should be so (as far as we know, ancient tribal societies are very physical, and men are on the average stronger than women, etc.).

Without some more context, I might as well postulate that these ancient societies were the founding believers in Eastern pessimism- that the world is evil and thus we have to be free from the world. So, in a patriarchy, the possessions of a family might be buried with the "inferior" woman and considered bad luck.

If you have any more context to share about the discoveries, then do so... but I see no reason to believe in a matriarchy because of them as they stand.

I'm still interested in the nature of these finds though-

Cheers,
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DanLewis:
If you have any more context to share about the discoveries, then do so... but I see no reason to believe in a matriarchy because of them as they stand.

I'm still interested in the nature of these finds though-

Cheers,
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The findings are of actual burial sites in which the contains of the "burial gifts" are compared between those that are used on a male & those on a female. Some males may contain certain items that are given to the female but at a much lesser number. These are usually in the form of pottery & bone beads plus other works of artistic nature. All the burials consisted mostly of single corspe with the males & females separated. Young females are usually given more than older females.
The sites are in a few places of China & if you want the name I'll try to translate them for you.
 
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">SWL: And it also may be the case that you are just desperately grasping for straws because any potential argument against any aspect of the Bible excites you.

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Sheesh. And it also may be the case that you are just desparately mocking any potential evidence against the bible because it threatens your belief in a magical sky god.

 
 

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