Goingtohell

Isn't it funny how everytime there is a potential problem with the Bible it is a translation problem, a metaphor, or some other excuse??? How the hell could you believe anything in it??

<a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7273/biblicalcontradictions.html" target="_blank">It means whatver I want it to mean</a>

Foxhole Atheist

"Isn't it funny how everytime there is a potential problem with the Bible it is a translation problem, a metaphor, or some other excuse??? How the hell could you believe anything in it??"

I know what you mean. However, even if there were no translation problem at all, I still could not bring myself to believe any of it.

Marc Nolan

Well its obvious the book holds no water. If someone sat down in a court room and said that they had an accurate account of something in quesitoned and then said that their accurate acount has been mistranlated, had things added and subtracted to it, passed down for years by just word of mouth and had no scientific evidence to explain the reason for way out exaggerations they would be thrown out of court.

The bible has no credibility.

-M

Born Free

I haven't picked up a bible since being forced to read it at primary school, in my curiosity I decided to search for an online bible to check a few things out for myself and in doing so came across puzzling things that have probably already been discussed before but it looks to me like there are gaping errors in the first 2 chapters of genesis??? How can any sane, intelligent human being believe that the bible is a factual thing??

God decides to make man after making all the sea life, bird life and beast life...

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. 29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 3

That is god making man unless I'm stupid and have read it wrongly?? First of all who is god talking to?? Is it himself or the spirit of god, in which case is the spirit a floating ghost whose image is plain to see?? Since the spirit of god would ultimately be him, he must have been talking to himself (depending on what you believe I suppose as in the holy spirt, oh it's so confusing).

Secondly he does make more than one when he says "in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them,

He is talking in the plural as in them.

But then he goes on to talk of there being no man to till the earth.....

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Hang on a minute he just claimed to have made male and female in his own likeness??? OOps he must have forgotten he had already made them and so goes on to make some more........

But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.


Is it me that's a tad stupid here?? Are my eyes playing tricks on me, did god not make male and female in his own likeness in the first chapter but then made two more single ones for his garden?? What happened to "them"?? Were they left to wander the earth on their own or what??

I tried to make excuses for him thinking, oh well he's just planted a new garden in the east and hasn't remembered to bring any male and female cast in his own likeness, so he's made a couple of new ones to help tend the garden and the trees but then realised that he made the new man first before he made this wondorous garden.


With this just for starters, I wonder how anyone can give any credibilty to any of the bible, I mean some sects of christians (if not all) don't pay much attention to the ot, preferring to go more with the nt, it appears to me like they take the good pieces "see god created the earth in six days and made man and woman" and ignore everything else.

This whole book of fairy tales should have been left at that for what it was, fairy tales started much the same way a fairy tale is started. Started by some bored woman hater who wanted to scare his children (and wife) into subversience with this farcical nonsense.

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Makai

Exactly. I have never read anywhere on what basis people decide what is 'The True Word of God', and what is some 'learning-parable, translation error, or whatnot'. On what authority do so many Christians get to decide what parts are divine, what parts are misunderstood, and what parts are metaphorical??
As I've said before, at least fundamentalists can say they actually stick by their text. While they have to face the enormous, overwhelming, and amazing problems created by the stance of biblical inerrancy...at least they maintain some sort of standard. It's not buffet-style scripture for them. Can some non-fundamentalist Christian give me a reasonable explanation as to how you decide what is literal?

-Makai

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Born Free

Help ma boab!! guys sorry made a mess of that editing, I edited it and then forgot something else, and it took my original edit away. To make life easier I'm just replying again to say that I must apologise for quoting from the bible, nothing worse than reading loads of boring drivel

MadMordigan

Can some non-fundamentalist Christian give me a reasonable explanation as to how you decide what is literal?

What god tells them is literal.

Boro Nut

Jings Crivvens!! Is that you Hen Broon?

Born Free

Naw dinnae be so daft, it's Daphne Broon!!! You taking the piss again boro me mucka???

hezekiah jones

Shouldn't this be in the "Search for the Historical Oor Wullie" thread?