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09-07-2001, 03:11 PM | #1 |
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luke 3:15
Carrying on with my thread about the 70 weeks of daniel,I am here inviting comments on Luke 3:15.It seems here that the Jews were expecting a messiah. could this have been because they had worked out the 70 year "prophecy" themselves?
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09-07-2001, 03:18 PM | #2 |
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Clearly, many first century Jews were expecting a Messiah. So were second century Jews. So are many Jews today. Whether any 1st century Jews had "worked out" the Daniel prophecy is something I've never heard of. Remember, also, Luke's gospel is not an objective, first-hand source on what the Judean Jews in AD 27 were expecting. He has an agenda.
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but WHY were they expecting a messiah. I am expecting a letter tomorrow because I have been told that it should arrive tomorrow. So what made the Jews expect a messiah?
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Has anyone an answer to this question please?
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Remember, the term "Messiah" was not used to refer just to a single, unique person; it was also applied to prophets, priests, some kings, and even some of the vessels in the temple. It was used to refer to Cyrus of Persia in the OT prophets, for example. Also consider the following: The OT apocrypha contains no references to a messiah-deliverer figure. The OT pseudepigrapha from the 4th century BCE to the 1st century contains at most five references, and some of these are problematic. In the Dead Sea Scrolls, documents concerning the first-century Qumran community mention such a figure only a handful of times. In the entire works of Josephus, who goes into great detail on the belief of first century Jews, he never mentions an expectation of a messiah. Not even once. So given the evidence we have, it's extraordinarily improbable that most Jews in the first century were expecting an imminent messiah. This is admittedly an argument from silence, but given the vast amount of documentary evidence we have from that period, if there were a general expectation of some divine deliverer-figure, we would expect many, many more references to it. [ September 09, 2001: Message edited by: Muad'dib ] |
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Only Jews that are "pregnant with dispair" expect a messiah. Joseph was one such Jew and therefore returned to his home place for deliverance.
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"The OT apocrypha contains no references to a messiah-deliverer figure."
I have read some where that Christ "fulfilled" at least 70 "prophecies" when he became alive? I will try to find it. UO |
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http://www.infidels.org/library/mode.../prophecy.html http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...rophecies.html |
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09-11-2001, 07:30 AM | #10 |
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thanks for correcting me.
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