"When the time of destruction is at hand the intellect becomes perverted." Vridha Chan. 16:17.

The ancient religion of the Aryas.
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There were no temple, no mosque and no church. Everyone worship the one true God. There were no mediator, no incarnation or manifestation and no prophet. God was only addressed according to His Nature, Attributes and characteristics.

It is the only faith that is in harmony with reasoning, science and in conformity with natural laws as determined by the five tests listed below:-

* It must exist in its entirety from the beginning of creation for all of mankind. Oppose - Millions born before Moses, Christ and Mohammad were deprived of the 'Ten Commandments', the New Testament and the Q'uran respectively.

*It must conform with natural laws.
Oppose - The cause of the physical body is the reproductive element - man created out of dust/blood-clot and any other method of conception as 'virgin birth' is a breach to this law.

*It must be in harmony with reasoning. Oppose - Incest is immoral now and it had to be the same also in the beginning (creation of one man and one woman). Cain's wife had to be his sister.

*It must be in harmony with science.
Oppose - Modern science has proven creation to be more than 6,000 (biblical age) years old.

*Its truth must be confirmed by four evidences:-
(i)Direct Cognition - Not all that is known by perception can be true.
(ii)Inferences - God is eternal therefore we can infer that there were past creations and as well as there will be future ones.
(iii)Testimony - The testimonies of Rishis, sages and seers of the Vedas (altruistic teachers are all in harmony with each other. (iv)History - There are many books (Mahabharata, Valmiki's Ramayan) and source of other civilization which speak of the past ancient Vedic (Aryan) civilization.
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Regards,
Vijai Singh

Vijai Singh, what do you believe happens to us when we die?

Will we pay any price for the "bad things" we do in life?

Thanks,
Ish

As to the Vedas, they don't quite fit that mold. They are hymns in praise of a multitude of deities, and they feature lots of animal sacrifices presided over by priests. And that includes cow sacrifices. Yes, that holy animal :-) The authors of the Vedas may not have been big on houses of worship, but they were nomadic cattle herders, and any sacred objects would have to have been easily portable.

Welcome,Vijai Singh! Are you a Sikh, or is the name just a coincidence?

Michael

Ish,

What's the big deal among Xtians with eternal punishment? Why bother? I mean, we're all just human, and fallible, right? Even the most horrible crimes can be comitted in honest accident from time to time, and even the most malicious of intentions can be brought about by unfortunate circumstances and unavoidable small-mindedness (from time to time).

Although I will agree that people who continually act outside the moral laws of society should be punished, this punishment isn't for simple spite - it is, ideally at least, for the 'good' of the offender, and, of course, for the 'safety' of society.
That's why we call putting criminals in prison 'rehabilitation'.

Where's the rehabilitation in eternal suffering?

What does eternal suffering after death contribute to the safety of society?

What, in esscence, is the point?

Apart from spite, that is.

Hello Ish,

Vj ~ That would depend on what you know of the Vedas. Any one who lacks reasoning is the least in mind to ever comprehend the meaning of the Vedas.

Vj ~ That is an your interpretation of the Vedas, now why not look at a pro's (rishi's) interpretation if it is your truly your desire to know the truth.
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Vj~ Really, it seems you were around. God is the author of the Vedas and the Shastras (expositions of the Vedas) which you must first understand before attempting to know the Vedas were written by men.
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Originally posted by Vijai Singh:

DNFTT

Vj ~ If I were, I would be out of my mind to contradict the religion of the sikhs. I am an arya .
Regards,
Vijai

Vj ~ There is no such thing as eternal rewards or punishment. The soul is eternal but its actions are finite and as such it can only reap finite rewards or punishment.

Regards,
Vijai.