I saw a small part (like 2 minutes to be precise) of a documental yesterday on t.v. In there a man was asked why he thinks that Jesus did raise form the dead. He said:

"The biggest proof of the resurrection of Jesus is something that can be seen today. It is where the Christian Church is today. If Jesus wouldnt had resurrected the Christian Church woudlnt be were it is today."

After the guy spoke i told to my self: "And why dont you say something about the Crusades? Or about all of the people that were killed little by little because they didnt belived in God? Shouldnt you be thankful for that too?"

After that i had to leave and couldnt see the rest of it. What you think about this?

Sorry for the crappy english it is not my native lenguage

P.S. This is my first post here so hello to all of you!

I think the biggest proof that Muhammad received a revelation from God is the position of Islam in the world today.

I think the biggest proof that Buddha has shown us the way to enlightenment is the number of Buddhists in the world today.

I think the biggest proof that Hinduism is true is all the Hindus that live in India.

I think your argument, if you'll pardon the expression, is hooey. The popularity of an idea is hardly proof that it is true.

Uh...Dennis, don't skim through posts quite so quickly. He's not making that argument.

Hello, Ether. We're glad to have you here, and your English is just fine. That chair over there (points to a well-loved upholstered seat with a half-full cup of Earl Grey resting on one arm) is mine. Otherwise, make yourself at home.


[This message has been edited by Seraqael (edited April 15, 2001).]

I agree Ether... If the editor of that TV show was a Christian, he must have been sleeping on the job!

[This message has been edited by critical thinking made ez (edited April 16, 2001).]

Ummm. He's on your side Dennis.

I think this can also be paraphrased as: "The earliest Christians would not have believed unless Christ had actually risen from the dead; therefore, he must have done so."

People believe things for a lot of silly reasons, even today. Astrology is a simple example. Astrology must work, you could say, since it has persisted for so long. Or chi.

Now, casting aspersions on astrology or chi cannot by itself negate Christianity (or vice versa) by this line of reasoning. But I'd like to see those who embrace this Argument from Antiquity to be consistent and embrace all beliefs whose origins are shrouded in mystery.

Incidentally, this "The resurrection is true because the first Christians believed it" seems to be becoming the most popular Christian apologetic. Probably because there is no other (read: zero) evidence available.

Yes i agree. It is some kind of lazy answer to the usual unanswered question. Not even they know what really happened, so they can only say stuff like : "He rised because he said he would".

Anyway it is all biased to their way. They give you answers that are divine influenced and thus leave little chances to make a good argument out of them.

Thanks Seraqael. Yeah Dennis im on your side

[This message has been edited by Ether (edited April 16, 2001).]