I was talking with a Cristian about evolution and the like and he told me that one of the main reasons he belived in the bible and God was the Dusk you are and dusk you will become when you die issue.

While we do turn to dusk when we die, i certianly dont agree with the other side, that we were made from dusk.

What are your thoughs?

Hi Ether,
I see in another thread that english is not your native language: The word you want is dust with a 't'. Dusk with a 'k' is a time in the evening around sunset.

I'm not sure I understand how the dust to dust idea makes the Bible or God more believable, could you explain further please?

Perhaps someone can shed some light on the dark nature of this subject.

rodahi

Perhaps the Christian meant that evolution was consistent with the statement that man came from dust? Thus literally arising from the elements of the earth.

Yep Tercel, is dust not dusk thanks for the spelling.

Well i see i didnt made much sense with my post so ill try harder.

To him this makes perfect sense because the bible says that God created Adam form dust. But when they ate from the Tree of Knowledge God got angry and cursed Adam by telling him that he will turn to what he really was when he dies "dust".

But another though that came to my mind was that Eve doesnt turns to a bone when she dies right? One could say that she was made from Adam and because of this she is also "dust"?.

Yes dust is from nature but acording to them God also created nature.

Most kind of materials turn to dust when they age. Take wood for example. Humans are no exception, neither are animals.Every animal also dies and turns to dust, they didn't disobeyed God, so why they must share the same fate as humans? Why the bible only points its finger at man while the others also share his curse?

What i am really asking is.how can this be such a valid point for a cristian? i see no humans rising from dust today? then why they consider this to be such a vital evidence of God's existence?

I hope it makes more sense now

By the way, have you noticed in Genesis that when God tells the curse to Adam (to dust!) He also tells a curse to a serpent - to EAT dust. But serpents do NOT eat dust, do they? The second curse does not work.

Yeah maybe he forgot to actualy cast the curse on the serpent.

And the other fact that comes to mind is that they could hide themselves form God behind a tree. So this means that God is NOT omnipresent is he?

Yet another fact is that he ASK them what they had done SO he for sure isnt omniscient is he?.

There are many more stuff about this little piece of text that contradicts so much.Like why he curse them all when he knew? that it was the serpent who made them disobey him.

And by the way when did the serpent got/lost the ability to talk with humans?

I think what you are saying is that because the Bible was "right" in saying man was made from elements of the earth and that when he dies, he returns to elements of the earth, that makes the entire rest of the Bible Correct.

Except I have been right a lot of times and have been wrong even more.... I hope no one would be foolish enough to believe that because one area of the Bible is correct that all parts must be. Seeing that a man can turn to dust after death is very easy to do. You don't have to be a God to see it happen.

If you're discussing with a person that bases
their faith on Genesis, then you're wasting
your time.... the contradictions are obvious,
the stories are ludicrous, and they're not
logical thinkers.


[This message has been edited by Kosh (edited May 03, 2001).]

Actually it makes no difference, one way or the other.

The Biblical theory is that God formed man from the materials at hand, that is, dirt (dust; Genesis 2:7.) This goes on, then, to say that when you die, the body rots and these materials are returned to the earth, from whence they came (Genesis 3:19.)

If you think about it, that's a rather apt description of biology! We are indeed made of dust: star stuff which has gathered to form this planet. Everything in our body is made of these atoms, and when our bodies rot or are cremated, these atoms are transformed into other compounds. We do indeed return to dust.

So, from that Dust thou art, and unto dust thou shalt return, there is nothing to choose between creation and evolution. The biological evidence for both is identical.