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07-19-2001, 04:23 AM | #1 |
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An Account of deception
In the works of Josephus, there is an interesting tale related.
During the Roman war with Jerusalem, it was nearly immpossible for a Jew to escape the carnage. A plan/scheme was attempted that Josephus documents. " And now, thinking( _________insert name here) he might be able to scare and delude the Romans, he put on a white robe and appeared out of the ground-- those who saw him were greatly horrified and remained motionless." "Wars of the Jews" book 7, chapter 2, sec. 1 Does this sound like another event that is documented in the NT? "White robe" "Out of the ground" tomb? This story was about Simon and his scheme to evade the romans by making them think he was a mythical figure arising from the dead. A spirit from the tomb. This story may have been used at least twice that we are aware of, and it certainly indicates that the Jewish people were not above deception to accomplish objectives. Wolf |
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The Passover is just such a survival story.
When the death angel, which was the Egyptian army, went through Jerusalem killing all of the first born sons, they were actually killing any chance that the Jews could ever have an army to war with the Egyptians. The death angel would enter a house and kill the son. Then he would smear blood over the doorway to inform other death angels that the first born of that house had beed killed. S yhe Jews killed lambs and spread their blood over their doors to caus the death angel to "passover" that house. |
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Sources and references Les, Pickup any telephone yellow pages. Look up churches. Find synagogs. Dial a number. Ask to speak to the rabbi. Ask him.
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The event that I am talking about is when the Egyptians marched against the Jews probably in Exodus. It's what the Jewish cekebration of passover is based on.
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Passover I've heard is where God sent his angel of death to kill the first born of the Jews. I've never heard it claimed to be the Egyptians that did the killing. In addition, archeological findings indicate that the entire bit about the Jews in Egypt is myth. So, where do you get your sources for this rather outlandish slant on Bibilical "history"? Did you read a book? Please tell us about it. |
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In Isaac Azimof's Guide to the Bible he relates the Jewish legend that the Egyptians once killed the first born of the Jews, so it was OK for their God to do it to the Egyptians. Killing a Ram & spreading it's blood over your doorway was also a slap at the Egyptian God Ra, whose symbol was the Ram. During the pre Thutmosis period of Egypt, 1500BCE, Egypt was run by foreigners who were unruly & disturbed the Egyptians, Thutmosis kicked them out and became very popular.
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