Littlejohn

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If I'm not mistaken, even the bishop Hippolytus Roman cites Marcia as a christian lover of Commodus ..

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stephan huller

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aa5874

What happens if you are mistaken??

Examine Hippolytus' Refutation of All Heresies" 9.7. Hippolytus did not cite Marcia as a Christian but as a "God Loving female"

Even non-Christians, the Jews and Roman citizens were "God Loving people".

You appear to be mistaken.

Now, was Commodus claimed to be a God while he was alive?

Marcia loved Commodus? Marcia was indeed a God loving female.

See Cassius Dio "Roman History" LXXIII.

Commodus declared himself to be a God called Hercules.

Casius Dio's Roman History Marcia was a God Loving female--She Loved Hercules [Commodus].:banghead:

Csssius Dio was an actual contemporary of Commodus when he declared himself the God Hercules.

Littlejohn

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It is need that you read more carefully Philosophumena...

Just because she was a Christian, or known as such, she helped the future bishop of Rome, Callisto, to return at the Capital from the Sardinia, where he had been taken there as a prisoner ..

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Toto

Some Christian apologists have tried to push the paleographic dating of texts into the first or early second century, and this has been disputed convincingly by other paleographers. But there is no basis for rejecting all paleographic evidence.

mountainman

Try factoring in to your screaming myopia the Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals, a known massive monkish forgery of the 9th century inclusive of ...

stephan huller

But that's the silliest argument ever. That's what used when a Jew picks up a penny from the floor or a black person wears baggy pants. The extrapolation from an isolated example to argue that all examples of manuscripts without second or third century exemplars are forgeries based on this one example is lunacy.

I often times - even in the modern world - have to come through my phone records to find a lost phone number. And that's just days or months, not to mention what would happen to information from a thousand years ago.

This argument is so stupid it's not even worth refuting - save for the fact it has an appeal for people who simply want an excuse to believe something is true - i.e. the corrupt nature of Christianity was established by a fourth century conspiracy.

Littlejohn

Yes, You are right!

Today we even have mathematical proofs about the fact that the main work of Irenaeus was edited, even heavy, by doctors of the church. In all likelihood, this process of revision of the texts produced by the fathers of the previous centuries, it is began from the second half of the fourth century, especially under Pope Damasus.

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aa5874

I have merely exposed your mistake. Did you not admit you may be mistaken?

Hippolytus does NOT state that Marcia was a Christian.

Marcia is NOT claimed to be a Christian--but a KNOWN fornicator--a Concubine of Commodus.

It is clear that it is implied Marcia was a Fornicator in Hippolytus' Refutation of All Heresies.

Hippolytus' Refutation of All Heresies 9 Commodus declared he was the God Hercules. See Cassius Dio Roman History

Marcia was the concubine of a God called Commodus.

Fornicators are NOT accepted as Christians and shall not inherit the Kingdom of God according to the Jesus cult of Christians.

1 Cor. 6 Marcia would be regarded as a WICKED person in the Jesus cult.

1 Cor. 5

stephan huller

Obviously reading is a skill you are still working on. She is claimed to a philotheos. Thomas C Oden explains the terminology as follows - "this could have implied either a seeker or someone inwardly drawn toward the righteous life who was willing to give Christians a voice and who was seeking life with God."

It is amazing that so many people have attempted to obscure the significance of this terminology when it clearly shows that extol Marcia as a gnostic. Both Moses and Abraham are described as 'lovers of God' (philotheoi) after being prepared by God for the mystic vision of the divinity. Philo says Moses "with a few other men, was loved by God and was a lover of God, being inspired by heavenly love, and honouring the Father of the universe beyond all things, and being honoured by him in a particular manner."

Clement of Alexandria interestingly develops these same ideas within the context of the Christian mysteries and its goal of being totally assimilated with God. He writes that "the godly man is the only lover of God, and such will he be who knows what is becoming, both in respect of knowledge and of the life which must be lived by him, who is destined to be divine, and is already being assimilated to God. So then he is in the first place a lover of God (philotheos). For as he who honours his father is a lover of his father, so he who honours God is a lover of God." The reality of course is that the term philotheos has a very specific significance within the Alexandrian tradition. It means essentially the same thing as 'gnostic' - i.e. a figure who has been brought into acquaintance with God after some mystical vision.

Of course the term philotheos never applies to women in Philo. Instead it is reserved for the Patriarchs of Israel, such as Moses who managed to see God while standing in the holy of holies of the tabernacle:

Indeed Philo understands Moses to united with the divinity in the manner of the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who are described as "lovers of God, and beloved by God, loving the only God, and being loved in return by him who has chosen ... to given them also a share of the same appellation as himself."