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Old 08-11-2013, 12:11 AM   #81
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My complaint is not about whatever your views are
Then you have nothing to debate about with me.

You catch me in a mistake, I'd love to hear about it. So far your barking up a empty tree, less a spelling mistake since I was running from memory.
You simply don't understand what is going on. That is par for the course. You think the issue is about making mistakes. As you don't put anything of significance out there, you don't get the opportunity to make mistakes. All you do is snipe and snivel when people don't rehearse the nonsense you support. Who gives a fuck about your blather when you never say anything of value? All you do is spout empty opinions you've collected.

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You not supposed to complain about good or correct work, because you personally don't like the means. Did you learn to attack correct work from mythicist?
Would you care to reword that so it makes sense?

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This is direct evidence you just want to feed your ego.
Irony.

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Not everyone here is a scholar, as a matter of fact, most are not in this forum. It is not a requirement to be able to read Koine, latin, nor Galilean Aramaic to participate here. And without that your factually forced to use someone else work.
More subterfuge. It's not a matter of whether you know the languages, but whether you know the evidence and can cite it meaningfully. Who gets anything useful out of you? I mean seriously, people try to deal with the topics here and you shit on them. If you said things that were helpful, meaningful, well-documented, and well-cited, that would be something, but you can barely string a sentence together in good English and never cite anything properly. That's shameful.

Would it hurt you to read a book or two and cite from it properly with author, title, year, page number? You never do that. Would it hurt you to cite primary sources clearly. That seems to be a no-no for you as well. You're a fucking liability in this forum.

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Factually most here do rely on someone else work to some degree.
Facts are the basis of evidence. They come from sources. Everyone relies on sources. The problem with you is that you can't cite them or can't cite them clearly so others can look them up.

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You haven't explained anything to me.
Likewise.
There's a difference here. You don't seem capable.

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Just who do you really think you are?
The fellow who asked the questions of steve_bnk, questions that you thought you'd give trite responses to, responses that had no evidence to back them up, when clearly I was question steve_bnk about supporting his claims. You just demonstrated how not to respond meaningfully to issues. And I'm the fellow who has been clarifying that.
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The evidence that change my position from myth to historical, was the fact Hellenist made a martyred Jewish Galilean peasant from a hovel their savior. They could have created anyone they wanted if this was a mythical man, but they did not. It seems to me, by the way we see later authors covering up and layering over prior versions, trying to hide these embarrassing details.

Is this a fact?
Yes it is.
No it's not, rather, it is an hypothesis in the field of history.


So was "Paul" a Hellenist?






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reconstructing history [or determining something did not happen (or did not happen as is traditionally thought)] is based on sound deductive argument or cogent inductive argument.

Appealing -to-authority is only suitable when appealing to an authority's well-argued case, rather than their 'authority' per se.

a "the lack of evidence" is significant - it is often parsimonious to think there never was any.
Who do you learn from? You make it sound like poor methodology to take courses and listen to professors, and real scholars.
'taking courses and listening to professors & [other] scholars' is Not a methodology.

Assessing & critiquing what (& how) they deduce, and what (& how) they infer, in relation to other's views - including contrary views - is a methodology

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Do you understand the definition of education?
I am an educator. I hold tertiary qualifications in clinical sciences & education.
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Who do you learn from? You make it sound like poor methodology to take courses and listen to professors, and real scholars.
'taking courses and listening to professors & [other] scholars' is Not a methodology.

Assessing & critiquing what (& how) they deduce, and what (& how) they infer, in relation to other's views - including contrary views - is a methodology

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Do you understand the definition of education?
I am an educator. I hold tertiary qualifications in clinical sciences & education.

Only through education can one learn different methodologies.

My point stands. You received your education from others with more knowledge then you. Appealing to authority is how we learn responsibly.

Many of the best scholars use and rely on material and work done by others, as you have gaining the knowledge you have.
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So was "Paul" a Hellenist?

Its debated, but I see no reason to claim otherwise.

He was supposed to be born in the Diaspora and hold Roman citizenship, he also had a great degree of education.

All people were Hellenized to some extent. But I personally find Paul very Hellenized.
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You're a fucking liability in this forum.

Who the hell do you think you are?

Your in no position to talk down to me.


My position can be refuted if one has the knowledge to do so and I often state "it is my opinion".



Your going on and on attacking me personally BECAUSE you cannot refute my statements. That is weak as hell on your part.
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By the way, I do understand my shortcomings providing sources, as not all my information comes from books.

That doesn't negate the material in articles I have read and the Yale online courses or what I have heard directly from scholars.

If my information is not accurate I want to be told my methodology is faulty, not when its correct, or simply because someone holds a personal different opinion.
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If my information is not accurate I want to be told my methodology is faulty, not when its correct, or simply because someone holds a personal different opinion.
OK - your methodology is faulty. You think that citing a scholarly consensus without explaining the basis for that consensus is worth posting. It is not.

Please cease and desist from this practice.

Thank you.
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'taking courses and listening to professors & [other] scholars' is Not a methodology.

Assessing & critiquing what (& how) they deduce, and what (& how) they infer, in relation to other's views - including contrary views - is a methodology

I am an educator. I hold [post-graduate] qualifications ...
Only through education can one learn different methodologies.

My point stands. You received your education from others with more knowledge then you. Appealing to authority is how we learn responsibly.

Many of the best scholars use and rely on material and work done by others, as you have gaining the knowledge you have.
Yes, I received a lot of my education from ppl who then had more knowledge than me; some still have more knowledge than me in some areas. I have more knowledge than some in other areas. We discuss ideas; we reject some; we accept some.

The best scholars critique work done by others; and they reflect on their own work, their own ideas. They form new, modern hypotheses based on new information & new ideas about that information.
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You're a fucking liability in this forum.
Who the hell do you think you are?

Spin classes himself amidst the linguistic assets.


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This is typical of spin - next step will be the "Ignorance List".

Don't take it personally.

Cite the sources not the names of perceived authorities.





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